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And then they'll say it all in bravery while continuing their goings.

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James Toback, director of a whole bunch of movies that I've never seen, and also an Academy award nominee for writing Bugsy (which I've seen but cannot remember), has had action taken against him by more than 30 women. In 1989 an article in Spy magazine reported how Toback would creep about LA, telling women he was in movies, and luring them back to his apartment. So that was known about for 30 years, not just in Hollywood but in nationally publicised magazines, and no-one seemed to give a gak. He still got his films financed and people went along to see them.

Meanwhile right now actors like Casey Affleck career continue their careers despite multiple, strong public allegations against them. And Bill O'Reilly is being welcomed back in to the fold at FOX News.

When I first thought about this I admit I bought in to the idea that there was at some level a cover up, that Weinstein's power was sufficient to get Hollywood and therefore national media to remain quiet about this. But the more I look at the complaints against Weinstein and how many of them were public, and I look at the number of other people who had multiple public accusations against them, it seems the bigger issue is that on some level we as a society just didn't care that much about what these men did.

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One of the ways FOX News is trying to minimise the impact of revelations that they paid out $100m to victims of sex abuse by FOX News employees, including $45m to victims of Bill O'Reilly alone, is by claiming that not one complaint was made by employees to the HR complaints line about sexual abuse. Of course they didn't call that line. The network's stance is to close ranks around their powerful, high profile abusers and work to make the case go away. No-one in that organisation is going to begin a complaint to HR, which would operate as nothing more than a headstart to FOX corp to begin cover up proceedings.

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This reminds me if the Saville revelations, though not quite as icky.

Many people knew about Jimmy Savilles predations, but few people said anything. Johnny Rotten did, at the time, but it was Johnny Rotten so nothing happened.

Since the stories emerged after his death there has been an explosion of memories, some of victims long suppressing a hidden victims guilt, others chancers looking for easy cash with wild bogus stories.

That dynamic has not reached its peak yet with the Weinstock revelations, but it will in time. I don't envy the job of sifting between the genuine grievances and the liars, and the ever broadening search for abusers.

Most of all I hope that this last dynamic is not imported to Hollywood. In the UK post Saville some people were raked through the coals publically before being eventually exonerated. Sir Cliff Richard comes to mind here, yet it has been speculated publically that the open investigation of famous names on often spurious evidence is handled in full media glare to draw attention away from the lack of investigation of officials in the media who knew of but did nothing about abuse. Despite many victims of Saville claiming they were hushed by the BBC no current or former BBC official has been charged.

Weinstock cannot be abusing at that scale in isolation, others would know, others who by knowing and aiding in silencing victims are accomplices, but powerful accomplices at the heart of a major media industry.

Fething wasps nest.

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Hence my statement that it is corporate culture, not society at large that needs to change.
I do not assume that most men I meet are sexual predators - I know I'm not. Pretty much everyone I know thinks that this is despiccable, and yet another proof of why no one should ever trust upper management of, well, anything.
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Trouble is that doesnt work.

Communism taught us that abolish privilege, is to get privilege under a different demographic, and the transition from one unfair society to another is a bitch.

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 Orlanth wrote:
Trouble is that doesnt work.

Communism taught us that abolish privilege, is to get privilege under a different demographic, and the transition from one unfair society to another is a bitch.


Reforming corporate culture is communism? What?

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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I'd dispute the claim that this is just corporate culture. There's plenty of testimonies from people in all manners of contexts about similar behaviour, wether it's a head chef being a creep towards staff in a kitchen, a landlord abusing a position of power over a tenant, or any of a myriad other people with authority abusing that authority. Sexual harassment and rape is intimately intertwined with power, there's little reason to believe it is only prevalent in a corporate culture. Just sample any decently-sized club on a Friday evening and see what you find. We'd be doing ourselves a huge disservice to pretend this kind of behaviour is largely limited to a certain kind of people.

Everyone hates sexual harassment the same way 80% of people are better drivers than average; being a bad driver or harassing others is something other people do.

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It is a widespread male culture in western countries, e.g. bum-pinching, builders wolf-whistling at passing women, inappropriate touching on the tube in London, Metro in Paris or trains in Tokyo, or in discos and so on.

These are the low-level manifestations of a spectrum of behaviour that at the extreme end becomes sexual predation and exploitation.

Of course all men don't do these things, and things seem to have been moving away from the situation -- for instance, builders generally have a "no whistling" policy nowadays.

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This story is really growing. The consolation for what happened with Harvey Weinstein is that a lot of sunlight is being cast on some pretty odious stuff.

Marianne Barnard has said that Roman Polanski molested her when she was 10 years old. She would be the 4th woman to accuse him of sexual assaults.

More than 200 women have accused director James Toback of sexual harassment.

Bill O'Reilly has found the real villain in his many, many sexual harassments - God.

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Vox Media Editorial Director Lockhart Steele Fired for Sexual Harassment

Maybe the Jury will finally get a verdict at the Cosby case?


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Jesus wept.

I'll let David French translate:
Today Bill O’Reilly released the full text of an affidavit by former Fox News legal analyst Lis Wiehl.

O’Reilly claims on his website that this affidavit repudiates “all allegations” against him.

It does no such thing.

Before we analyze and translate the short text of the document, keep in mind that statements like this aren’t uncommon after settlements — especially when those settlements involve prominent people or prominent institutions. Part of the “purchase price” of the settlement often includes a statement that defendants use to try to claim that the litigation was nonsense from the beginning. Plaintiffs will accept the payout and do their best to negotiate language that’s as meaningless as possible. They want the settlement amount to do the talking. Negotiations over statements or affidavits can sometimes be more complex and contentious than negotiations over even seven-figure payouts. The wording is careful, and the statements are notable mainly for what they don’t say.

So, let’s look at Wiehl’s affidavit:

Let’s translate the key statements:
1. I have known Bill O’Reilly for over 18 years. We have worked together, we have socialized, and on occasion I gave him legal advice.
Translation: I used to work with Bill O’Reilly.

2. At the end of 2016, I hired counsel who prepared a draft complaint asserting claims against Bill O’Reilly. We have since resolved all of our issues. I would no longer make the allegations contained in the draft complaint.
Translation: I sued O’Reilly, he paid me $32 million, and I agreed to drop the suit. I “would no longer make the allegations” because every settlement agreement ever created in the entire history of the universe bars the plaintiff from ever again raising her original claims.

3. Additionally, over the years while I was acting as Bill O’Reilly’s counsel, he forwarded to me certain explicit emails that were sent to him, and any advice sought or rendered is attorney-client privileged, confidential, and private. I have no claims against Bill O’Reilly concerning any of those emails or any of the allegations in the draft complaint.
Translation: My lawyers are very, very good. Admire their handiwork. If you read closely, all I said is that he sent me explicit emails, I can’t talk about them, and I have (note the verb tense) no claims. Of course I currently have no claims; I settled them for $32 million.

4. Also, I have reached an accommodation with Fox News regarding the termination of my employment. I have no claims against Fox News.
Translation: Same verb tense as the previous paragraph, y’all. I have no claims because I settled those claims.

In other words, when O’Reilly published this affidavit, he was banking on the fact that his supporters may not be familiar with legalese or that some of them will grasp at any straw they can to rationalize their continued support for a longtime television hero. But no one should be impressed with this document. It repudiates nothing.

$32 million! That's a payment to prevent Wiehl from going to the police!

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I guess O'reilly said no one ever complained but Megyn Kelly said that was bull and produced an email showing she reported his behavior.

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 Ahtman wrote:
I guess O'reilly said no one ever complained but Megyn Kelly said that was bull and produced an email showing she reported his behavior.


Too bad she sat on that revelation until her career was in dire straights and she needed a publicity boost. It might have helped out a lot of other women at the time if she had said "this happened to me, too". If she wasn't comfortable doing that, and I would understand that, she at least could have said "I believe these women". She was in a very powerful position at the time, "the time" being when the network was attacking women she worked with.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/harvey-weinstein-allegations-latest-zelda-perkins-former-pa-broke-confidential-non-disclosure-a8016716.html

I don't understand how non disclosure agreement relating to criminal activity are legally enforceable contracts. Usually they relate to personal or professional information, or are used in something that would at most be a civil case, or to not go public after some other legal dispute. That's go public, go to the newspapers, not go to the police.

Non-disclosure contracts used to bung people money to stop them reporting a criminal offence to the authorities just doesn't sound legal to me. Failure to report an offence is tantamount to helping cover it up, it's a bit of a grey area. Frankly she shouldn't have signed it in he first place. But the idea she should have to be remotely concerned about having to pay the money back, because she breached the contract by reporting criminal activity, should be thrown out. Contracts telling people they cannot report criminal activity to the authorities should be void.
   
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I'm not a lawyer but an NDA that covers sexual assault sounds like a classic unenforceable contract.

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Rado 4 covered this point yesterday with a couple of top barristers.

A contract cannot shield someone from criminal prosecution, however the victims involved in these NDA deals were not thought to be in a position to know this legal point or have the confidence to make use of it, owing to the strong imbalance of pwoer in the relationship.

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 Howard A Treesong wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/harvey-weinstein-allegations-latest-zelda-perkins-former-pa-broke-confidential-non-disclosure-a8016716.html

I don't understand how non disclosure agreement relating to criminal activity are legally enforceable contracts. Usually they relate to personal or professional information, or are used in something that would at most be a civil case, or to not go public after some other legal dispute. That's go public, go to the newspapers, not go to the police.

Non-disclosure contracts used to bung people money to stop them reporting a criminal offence to the authorities just doesn't sound legal to me. Failure to report an offence is tantamount to helping cover it up, it's a bit of a grey area. Frankly she shouldn't have signed it in he first place. But the idea she should have to be remotely concerned about having to pay the money back, because she breached the contract by reporting criminal activity, should be thrown out. Contracts telling people they cannot report criminal activity to the authorities should be void.


As I understand it (and I could be wrong cause I mean I'm not a lawyer), NDA's cannot legally cover illegal activity, but it is legally enforceable in that not reporting a crime to the police is generally not a crime itself. IE, if an NDA says "you will not report being groped by Employee X to the police in exchange for ________" that is legally enforceable because it is not a crime to not tell the police you were groped.

It can get messy in some ways, like if the police come to question you about something that is covered by the NDA, the NDA is unlikely to be sufficient protection from a subpoena or court order. Whether or not complying with the court is a violation of an NDA varies by state. One of the women in the Cosby case had an NDA not to talk about what happened between her and Cosby but she was ordered by a judge to testify and under the laws of the relevant jurisdiction she is not in violation of her NDA by lawfully abiding to the orders of the court.

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I'm just dubious about the idea that if someone signs an NDA to not report a crime, and then does report it, that such an NDA is legally sound enough that you could sue and get your hush money back. I understand the validity of an NDA to to gossip about private life, but trying to gag people going to the police is not what they should be for.

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 Ouze wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
I guess O'reilly said no one ever complained but Megyn Kelly said that was bull and produced an email showing she reported his behavior.


Too bad she sat on that revelation until her career was in dire straights and she needed a publicity boost. It might have helped out a lot of other women at the time if she had said "this happened to me, too". If she wasn't comfortable doing that, and I would understand that, she at least could have said "I believe these women". She was in a very powerful position at the time, "the time" being when the network was attacking women she worked with.


Indeed. I felt similarly when Quentin Tarantino said his girlfriend of the time told him Weinstien assaulted her and even heard it from another woman but didn't do anything. He said he thought that it was just an older guy being the type to chase his secretary around her desk but that doesn't really seem to be much better. In the end he knew but didn't do or say anything but now that he has enough power, fame, and money of his own, thanks in large part to Weinstien, he is willing to say he feels bad.

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 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I'm just dubious about the idea that if someone signs an NDA to not report a crime, and then does report it, that such an NDA is legally sound enough that you could sue and get your hush money back. I understand the validity of an NDA to to gossip about private life, but trying to gag people going to the police is not what they should be for.


I am guessing they do not (Also not a lawyer) but most people don;t have the time, resources, or legal expertise to even want to get involved with an NDA dispute. That would be a very difficult path to proceed down, with very little pay off for the person under the NDA.

It really isn;t about enforcability, but another way the powerful can frighten and intimidate the less powerful with a paperwork storm that the less powerful do not hav ethe time, money, or connections to fight.

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Wouldn't the enforceability of a NDA come down to the basic idea of "If you break it, you have to give the money back"? If I've already blown through half the payoff money, and I can't pay it all back if I talk, then that's even more incentive to keep quiet.

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Wouldn't the enforceability of a NDA come down to the basic idea of "If you break it, you have to give the money back"? If I've already blown through half the payoff money, and I can't pay it all back if I talk, then that's even more incentive to keep quiet.


An NDA is a contract and can only be enforced through the civil courts.

If someone criminally assaults me, and pays me "hush money" tied up with an NDA, I can still go to the police, the alleged crime will be investigated and if possible it will be criminally prosecuted.

The assaulter would be able to pursue me for breach of contract, and it would be interesting to see what the judge or jury made of such a claim.

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President is accused of Sexual Assault and apologizes! No not, that President the other President!

http://www.newsweek.com/george-hw-bush-apologizes-after-sex-assault-allegation-692368


Former President George H.W. Bush has apologized for an “attempt at humor” after being accused of sexual assault by actress Heather Lind.


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 Kilkrazy wrote:


The assaulter would be able to pursue me for breach of contract, and it would be interesting to see what the judge or jury made of such a claim.


It comes down to this as I understand it, but most of the people who end up in these situations can't compete with the other party financially, so it's not even about actually getting your money back when someone breaks the NDA. The NDA in itself enables you to bury them in legal work they can't possibly afford, which is likely a sufficient deterrent considering that I'm highly doubtful most juries/judges would reward damages to someone whose NDA was "don't tell the cops I assaulted you."

   
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 Easy E wrote:
President is accused of Sexual Assault and apologizes! No not, that President the other President!

http://www.newsweek.com/george-hw-bush-apologizes-after-sex-assault-allegation-692368


Former President George H.W. Bush has apologized for an “attempt at humor” after being accused of sexual assault by actress Heather Lind.


It is now spreading out of Hollywood and into Washington! Our thread is now imperiled!


Out of all of them this one surprised me the most to be honest.

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Because its BS if you really read it. The claim was touched her FROM behind not touched her behind, and has since been retracted by the accuser.

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I don’t think she retracted it, and just deleted her Instagram post about it.

It did come across more along the line of “dirty old man” shenanigans rather than sexual assault.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
I don’t think she retracted it, and just deleted her Instagram post about it.

It did come across more along the line of “dirty old man” shenanigans rather than sexual assault.


More..."he's freaking senile and is barely there"

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Well, he did apologize for it, so there you go.....

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I don’t think he’s senile. I doubt they would push him around like a prop if that was the case.

He’s at least more mentally with it than the current POTUS!
   
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He’s at least more mentally with it than the current POTUS!



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