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My least liked opinion was the move towards monopose figures, I pointed out how I personally felt Blightkings were the pinnacle of success for a kit that I could create full units of entirely different models and it gave me a reason to buy more than once box.

Well if they don't get "bring back the Old World" and "no to steampunk flying Dwarves" from my entry then maybe I should have said it a few dozen more times.

Oh well, I just hope Oathmark fills my WFB hole.

 BrookM wrote:
Thanks for sharing, it made me think for a bit on some of them, but all in all I asked them to keep up the good work and to keep at it.

Pretty much this mixed with human requests like Freeguild knights(Freelancer Order) or Stormcast squires.

All in all I'm pretty satisfied as is.

I asked for halflings in Age of Sigmar. 

I might have a problem. 

Not that bad of a problem.

I hope if they do get introduced they'll do a whole new take on them. Not-hobbits hiding in a Shire isn't very inspiring.

Oh, and the constant renaming of stuff. 
I don''t even know what my Ogre Kingdoms

Beastclaw Raiders, Gutbusters, Fire bellies and Man eaters.
(AoS app, AoS trope character wiki or the 1d4chan tactics page are good places to learn the names with the app being the fastest..)

I actually like Drukhari... is like the old world Druchii, Ashur and Asrai separation. I never liked Dark Eldar. From a Imperial point of view it makes sense, but they arent "Dark". They are literally just the same as Eldar where pre-Fall. They should be just Eldar, with the Craftworld and Exodites having the adjetives.

Told them to stop charging based on model type. Used the chaos terminator box as an example, somehow a two frame garbage kit that is over 50 bucks when I can get a CSM kit with more frames for less. I also suggested dropping the price on older kits like berserkers, that kit is kind of garbage and should be at a discount until updated. I also suggested selling individual frames for bits direct only.

Oh and I told them it makes no sense to limit options on characters and units in some areas and not others and that it doesn't help them sell minis. For example bike characters mostly vanishing yet grey knight grandmaster coming out of nowhere with an article on how to kitbash it... I even used that example.

 Mymearan wrote:
I also agree with Nogil that WHTV Twitch should be free.

Real quick-like, the Twitch is free...just only for when it's live. Viewing the archived stuff requires a Prime subscription which many people have pointed out that Amazon Prime lets you subscribe to one for free.


For myself, I made a point of addressing a few things:
The lack of (best way to describe it here) a better way for someone starting a "horde" army like Guard or Death versus an "elite" army like Marines or Stormcast to get into things. Start Collecting sets are all fine and good but there's only so much they actually do for you.
I addressed pricing/packaging a bit as I feel that some stuff should be packaged better or at different prices. I specifically called out Cadian Shock Trooper Squads(as the box doesn't give you "all the options" being an older kit), Sicarian(they need to be 10 models instead of 5), Electropriests(same), the Pox-Walkers, Death Guard, and a few other things.
I addressed the idea of rather than one huge starter set being the only thing available, I suggested several smaller starter sets with differing forces like Tau versus Necrons or Guard versus Tyranids etc.

That's about all I can remember putting up there, did it this morning in a rush.

I brought up the subject of foreigners being charged more for an item compared to what Britons are charged.

I also plugged dakkadakka.com. You're welcome, Yak.

Yeah, I tossed out my two cents. We'll see how that goes.

Well, gak. I thought I was pretty comprehensive but I missed out on a lot of good stuff other folk posted. Interesting move by GW, we'll see if anything comes of it, assuming there's any way for us to tell since they're never likely to release the datasets.

asked about stopping the fluff destruction/aberrations (AOS, primaris) and a return of bitz service.

Also, more support for Necro and all specialist games.

Forgot about it, but I should have told them about stopping the nickel and diming ( digital cards for WHQ, Twitch behind a paywall). With how much money I spend on their products, the constant attempt to squeeze every penny out of me feels like the proverbial slap in the face

 streetsamurai wrote:
) and a return of bitz serice.

Also, more support for Necro and all specialist games

We really only had Bitz when GW cast mostly in metal, because with metal you can cast a model and sell 1 part from the casting and any waste parts just get thrown back into the melting pot to be made into models again. Plastics, resins, resinplastics can't do that. If they cast up a model for 1 part for a buyer they've got to hold onto the rest of the plastic to either sell or just store.

It's why often you'll get a complete new kit even if only one part is faulty, because it costs GW exactly the same and it saves them having to pay to dispose of the waste plastic sprue.


Bitz I don't expect to ever return unless GW returns to metals (highly unlikely). That said I'd welcome them introducing more "upgrade" kits outside of marine doors/shoulderpads.

that's true, but AFAIK the production cost of a sprue is so low, that it might even be worthwhile for them to produce a full one, even if they only sell a few pieces of it

An actual survey that was well thought out for once!

As for ways to improve, I suggested releasing weapon upgrade kits on sprees like they had for second edition and Necromunda - I recon a lot of people would benefit immensely from them...

This sums up what I tended to badger them on:

10-man marine squad, 35 quid
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marines-Primaris-Reivers-2017

48-man, 25 quid
https://www.victrixlimited.com/collections/greek-ancients/products/athenian-armoured-hoplites-5th-to-3rd-century-bce-1

30-man squad, ~30 quid
https://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/box-sets/products/british-airborne-1

24-man squad, ~24 quid
http://www.fireforge-games.com/webstore/middle-age/middle-age-1/templar-order/templar-infantry-details

Victrix sculpts are better then GW, sprues come with tons of options, and almost 5 times the amount of figs for less money. Bolt Action, get enough to play a small game in one box, lots of options, equivalent or better sculpts, and still cheaper. Fireforge has equivalent sculpts, comes with options, could build a saga force out of a single infantry box, and cheaper. There is 0 reason for the prices GW charges other than because they can.

I asked for a plastic keeper of secrets and the demon prince Azazel, as he would fit very well into age of Sigmar, since he is an old enemy to Sigmar.

I told them prices were getting out of hand and then asked for a return to the old world, maybe even as a setting to AoS. "Look at this long-lost realm! Even Sigmar barely remembers it! Look at how they fight in tight formations! We'd better do that too if we want to compete with their weight of numbers!"

GW releases the old WoTR movement trays and a Warhammer: Legacy rule book with rules in fielding your AoS armies in the old world. Everyone wins.

 Dr. Mills wrote:
An actual survey that was well thought out for once!

Kind of. The problem with it is online surveys (and the people behind the surveys) don't do well with free text boxes, which I notice is what a lot of people are commenting on.

They're incredibly useful for determining that X system gets Y percentage of attention, while some other system gets much less percentage, and numerical analysis along those lines. So it should come to no one's surprise that when they look at the 'rank our current systems in order' question, 40k will almost certainly come out on top.

But you can't deal with text that way.

At some point some actually has to read it, and deal with all the different opinions, expressed in completely different ways, and then turn that into a meaningful report for a management team to kick up to someone who can actually make a decision based on it.
And that is hard. It's often easier to decide that just asking the questions convinces customers that the company is more involved and cares about their opinions. Then quietly put the results in a box somewhere, and possibly tell people that 'Top Men' are studying it.

@godswildcard,

Nitpicking but all that stuff would require large AoS retcons since the core of the Old World is what Azyrheim's built around, Sigmar does remember it as he has libraries dedicated to study of the World that was and the End Times with Freeguild regiments taking their heraldry, uniforms and training from those lessons (Ostland Bull became the Stone bull, Myrmidia the Sanguine Lady, etc.) and lastly the AoS armies do fight in formations in the lore(with the exception of orruks, ogors and the like) and can be duplicated in game. Also, Hammerhal itself is the size of a small continent alone so numbers certainly aren't a problem there.

It'd be better to just make a alternative timeline after the End Times and the Realm of Chaos allowing AoS armies to travel through to the Old World to either save it or plunder it.(which also would stop AoS' superior sized armies from just rolling and crushing a world which hundreds of which would fit into any one of the realms)

Also, EEFL (eighth edition for life) makes rank and file rulings for AoS units in 8th if you're interested.

Voss most likely they'll use the general multiple choices as the bulk of the data; then cherrypick out of the questions freely answered. Also don't forget even just a chance to express ones self to a company can make many customer happier that they have been listened too.

I don't think anyone seriously thinks GW will respond to every suggestion in the way the person wants; but I'm sure they can cherry pick even a portion and get a representation of reviews and ideas from players.

I asked for lower prices or bundles with an actual discount.

For the last question I reset the clock and told them that Squats will never truly die

SeanDrake wrote:
I asked for lower prices or bundles with an actual discount.

For the last question I reset the clock and told them that Squats will never truly die

Of course they won't, they are having a nice time soaring the sky of chamon!

But said the same: I know they do battleboxes and SC! bot some other thing that's also year long.

I told them to put more effort into ork rules.

I don't mind paying GW's (or more likely wayland's) prices, if I actually get unit that aren't a total joke on the tabletop.

I liked the part where they asked what non-GW miniatures games I play.

I was also amused by how they kept calling it "the games workshop hobby".

To them it is, They sell you a hobby not a game. It's been a their line for ages. Or at least 6 years since that's when I started and they already said it then.

Earth127 wrote:
To them it is, They sell you a hobby not a game. It's been a their line for ages. Or at least 6 years since that's when I started and they already said it then.

That's about when they started that nonsense.

I actually mentioned on one of those questions that it was misleading, and that I considered Warhammer properly an adjunct to the general roleplaying and gaming industry.

Mentioned the WHFRPG as one of their games as well, which frankly will probably just confuse them.

Baron Klatz wrote:
@godswildcard,

Nitpicking but all that stuff would require large AoS retcons since the core of the Old World is what Azyrheim's built around, Sigmar does remember it as he has libraries dedicated to study of the World that was and the End Times with Freeguild regiments taking their heraldry, uniforms and training from those lessons (Ostland Bull became the Stone bull, Myrmidia the Sanguine Lady, etc.) and lastly the AoS armies do fight in formations in the lore(with the exception of orruks, ogors and the like) and can be duplicated in game. Also, Hammerhal itself is the size of a small continent alone so numbers certainly aren't a problem there.

It'd be better to just make a alternative timeline after the End Times and the Realm of Chaos allowing AoS armies to travel through to the Old World to either save it or plunder it.(which also would stop AoS' superior sized armies from just rolling and crushing a world which hundreds of which would fit into any one of the realms)

Also, EEFL (eighth edition for life) makes rank and file rulings for AoS units in 8th if you're interested.

Or, just retcon AoS off into its own alternate reality like Blood Bowl(which is what it should have been in the first place, a "new" IP) and pretend the End Times never happened to WHF-prime in the first place. The gap in time between the end of WHF and the beginning of recorded time in AoS is vast and undefined IIRC, so AoS players who really really love the fact that their setting is built on the carcass of WHF can keep thinking of it as "the future", those of us who actually liked WHF can ignore it entirely, and of course the folk who just want to collect pretty models and push them around won't give a gak either way. The JJ Abrams method.

Baron Klatz wrote:
@godswildcard,

Nitpicking but all that stuff would require large AoS retcons since the core of the Old World is what Azyrheim's built around, Sigmar does remember it as he has libraries dedicated to study of the World that was and the End Times with Freeguild regiments taking their heraldry, uniforms and training from those lessons (Ostland Bull became the Stone bull, Myrmidia the Sanguine Lady, etc.) and lastly the AoS armies do fight in formations in the lore(with the exception of orruks, ogors and the like) and can be duplicated in game. Also, Hammerhal itself is the size of a small continent alone so numbers certainly aren't a problem there.

It'd be better to just make a alternative timeline after the End Times and the Realm of Chaos allowing AoS armies to travel through to the Old World to either save it or plunder it.(which also would stop AoS' superior sized armies from just rolling and crushing a world which hundreds of which would fit into any one of the realms)

Also, EEFL (eighth edition for life) makes rank and file rulings for AoS units in 8th if you're interested.

Thanks for taking the time to type all of that! I will definitely check out the EEFL rules. I could dig an alternate timeline thing, really I just loved the futility of the whole setting and any excuse that I can get To game in that world I will take!

Voss wrote:

 Dr. Mills wrote:
An actual survey that was well thought out for once!

Kind of. The problem with it is online surveys (and the people behind the surveys) don't do well with free text boxes, which I notice is what a lot of people are commenting on.

They're incredibly useful for determining that X system gets Y percentage of attention, while some other system gets much less percentage, and numerical analysis along those lines. So it should come to no one's surprise that when they look at the 'rank our current systems in order' question, 40k will almost certainly come out on top.

But you can't deal with text that way.

At some point some actually has to read it, and deal with all the different opinions, expressed in completely different ways, and then turn that into a meaningful report for a management team to kick up to someone who can actually make a decision based on it.
And that is hard. It's often easier to decide that just asking the questions convinces customers that the company is more involved and cares about their opinions. Then quietly put the results in a box somewhere, and possibly tell people that 'Top Men' are studying it.

There are some pretty strong software for doing text analysis nowadays. I don't know if GW has them, or have people skilled enough to use them, but the days of reading every comments are long gone

 streetsamurai wrote:
that's true, but AFAIK the production cost of a sprue is so low, that it might even be worthwhile for them to produce a full one, even if they only sell a few pieces of it

The cost of staffing the bitz orders was why they stopped though the removal of metal kits probably added to that.

so AoS players who really really love the fact that their setting is built on the carcass of WHF

Thank you, I shall.

We were thinking of ways to connect the settings and make crossovers, the salt wasn't needed.

Thanks for taking the time to type all of that! I will definitely check out the EEFL rules. I could dig an alternate timeline thing, really I just loved the futility of the whole setting and any excuse that I can get To game in that world I will take!

No problem!

Don't miss the Old World rpg coming out mid 2018 by Cubicle7 then.

http://cubicle7.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/WFRP-STARTER-Cover-450.jpg

(Saving my money for this and their follow-up AoS rpg. Lore for the lore god, fantasies for the fantasy throne! )