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 Farseer_V2 wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that it's how the laws work in the US which is part of the tax scope for GW and a fair (around 40%) of what is produced in the UK ends up in the distribution center in Memphis TN.

For someone who works in tax you'd think you'd consider the impact of being multi-national on a company like GW and how and when they chose to produce.

You are at least adding humour to the thread I suppose ...

It's a UK Listed Company, with significantly less than half their sales in the US, no manufacturing base in the US and you think US tax laws determine their global structure ... ok. I won't go into detail but it's boring to those not directly involved and you only listen to one voice it appears. Needless to say we do find many clients in the US have the misapprehension the rest of the world has an identical tax system to their own and have to correct of them of that view.

Interesting facts given that 75% of their sales come from outside the UK of which the US distribution center serves as the DC for all non European markets. They also do not list their revenue by market other than to break down the larger portion does not come from the UK.

But please feel free to condescend rather than actually address the points at hand.

 Farseer_V2 wrote:
Interesting facts given that 75% of their sales come from outside the UK of which the US distribution center serves as the DC for all non European markets. They also do not list their revenue by market other than to break down the larger portion does not come from the UK.

But please feel free to condescend rather than actually address the points at hand.

I have addressed the issue. You stated that US tax rules are a reason for not manufacturing more stock and I refuted that and still do. You can build enough Tyranids for 3 Years and by only running enough stock through the US and holding the rest elsewhere there are no adverse tax issues here. Only where manufacturing was also in the US would this be an issue and it isn’t the case here.

So why would they not want to maximise production outside the US? Build up production for new release and then ship to US say 2 months before launch?

I stated my credentials and you were the one being condascending in my eyes by belittling my professional integrity.

I apologize for belittling your professional integrity - first and foremost.

We'll agree to disagree regarding the rest of the impact of excess stock - you have a different view point than I do. Ultimately I understand why GW doesn't sit on excess stock. I know its frustrating for many people and many people don't agree with that decision. The issue I take is with the assertion that GW is incompetent or intentionally negligent - I still know a lot of good people who work for GW who are both passionate and very skilled at what they do.

Not sure what the US has to do with it, but there are massive logistic operations in place throughout manufacturing to reduce inventory, both in terms of material and product. It's one of the biggest drivers to reduce cost and waste in manufacturing. The idea that they would produce months worth of stock just to sit there in case there was an infrastructure failure is ridiculous, that's what companies pay insurance for.

The idea of some rando posting on a forum that it's "unacceptable" is laughable.

 matt123456790 wrote:
Not sure what the US has to do with it, but there are massive logistic operations in place throughout manufacturing to reduce inventory, both in terms of material and product. It's one of the biggest drivers to reduce cost and waste in manufacturing. The idea that they would produce months worth of stock just to sit there in case there was an infrastructure failure is ridiculous, that's what companies pay insurance for.

The idea of some rando posting on a forum that it's "unacceptable" is laughable.

Alrighty then -- this rando will just take his money and buy what he wants secondhand, thus cutting GW out of the equation. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Why is there such condescension towards people who just want to be able to buy something that GW ostensibly sells?

Is this thread even still on the same rails? Or has it jumped the track St this point?

 ruminator wrote:

Table wrote:
Im sorry, I try to be as nice as possible on this forum, but I just have to state that the levels of entitlement on this thread are staggering. You have no idea whats going on. I do not either. But I can assure you that this is not aimed at you and most certainly not the first time this has happened.

When the Legions codex hit almost a year ago GW ran out of nearly half the chaos lineup. Took them months to restock.

Kits dont poof into reality and there is limit capacity at the production level. So when they (GW) do something right and release a popular update to a range there is a chance they will have more demand than supply, It has happened before and it will happen again.

In america we have this problem that the hottest christmas toys seem to sell out quickly and supply cannot meet demand, we even have after market sellers who stock pile in anticipation. GW is not alone in this issue.

I am not a GW apologist. I am just not entitled.

This isn't a new company, they are not stepping into the unknown here. The fact that after all these years of making games and related miniatures they are surprised by the demand is itself sign of poor management. Production takes time but they probably have release schedules for more than 12 months in relation to books, so easy to match production to launches.

The backlog is allegedly put on needing to upgrade their electrics in their manufacturing facility, but this isn't a problem that dropped a couple of weeks ago and is indicative of not having a proper repair and renewals policy. Again poor management.

They could likely have increased sales by a significant number in the year if they had sufficient stock is a fact that even the whitest of knights can agree. What we don't all agree on is whether this is considered a sign of success. They have increased profits but not at the rate they market demand would have allowed, so again questionable management.

Dumbest comment here is the "they don't hold stock because they pay tax on it" - the opposite of this is more close to the truth and more investment in raw materials and stock is likely to reduce profit and so tax for that period not increase tax.

Thanks Ruminator, you stated my argument much better than I did. It's pretty simple - you know your release schedule because you made it. To not overstock the new release well in advance of the release is incompetence - plain and simple. I don't care if you use some other system - your system wasn't designed for a release schedule like this with a completely new edition that all active players are going to cash in on.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Table wrote:
Im sorry, I try to be as nice as possible on this forum, but I just have to state that the levels of entitlement on this thread are staggering. You have no idea whats going on. I do not either. But I can assure you that this is not aimed at you and most certainly not the first time this has happened.

When the Legions codex hit almost a year ago GW ran out of nearly half the chaos lineup. Took them months to restock.

Kits dont poof into reality and there is limit capacity at the production level. So when they (GW) do something right and release a popular update to a range there is a chance they will have more demand than supply, It has happened before and it will happen again.

In america we have this problem that the hottest christmas toys seem to sell out quickly and supply cannot meet demand, we even have after market sellers who stock pile in anticipation. GW is not alone in this issue.

I am not a GW apologist. I am just not entitled.

My apologies if I've come off as entitled. GW is a company, they'll do as they well please and if they're missing out on some money from me buying Tyranids, I'm almost 99% sure they're recouping it from 3 or 4 others buying marines; I get that. But the problem with literally having over half the army out of stock (I'm too lazy to check for Nids right now, but that really doesn't look to be much of an exaggeration in the US at least) is that it means that new players are all going to be getting into the same armies, playing very similar lists. Nids are actually one of the few Xenos armies that have a mostly plastic range; if you're not into the blocky Mary Sues, the hungry bugs used to make for a great alternative. But how can you rampage through Marine lines with your Carnifex if you can't buy a Carnifex?

Just saying -- I hope GW's able to fix these production issues soon.

Doh! Im sorry I was not more clear. My statement was mainly targeted at Xenomancers. I just dont like insulting people or causing problems, Im a beta male I guess :(

But yes, it sucks when GW's webstore runs out of stock. For years they have been pushing the webstore as a main source of sales despite its negative impact of independent stockists, so we get used to using it. When I sold my lolcrons last year I needed to build a chaos force from scratch. And found it almost impossible to do that with their stocking issues at the time. Literally half the range was either OOS or OOP.

So I just hit the streets and got things at my LGS. Amazon or ebay works great to. While I am impressed at the changes taking place at GW I am by no means a fan boy., They have been a sh#t company for many years.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

 matt123456790 wrote:
Not sure what the US has to do with it, but there are massive logistic operations in place throughout manufacturing to reduce inventory, both in terms of material and product. It's one of the biggest drivers to reduce cost and waste in manufacturing. The idea that they would produce months worth of stock just to sit there in case there was an infrastructure failure is ridiculous, that's what companies pay insurance for.

The idea of some rando posting on a forum that it's "unacceptable" is laughable.

Alrighty then -- this rando will just take his money and buy what he wants secondhand, thus cutting GW out of the equation. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Why is there such condescension towards people who just want to be able to buy something that GW ostensibly sells?

That's a completely fine and logical solution. It is in fact accepting the lack of stock that GW has and dealing with it, quite literally the opposite to the "unacceptable" reaction I was commenting on.

GW is obviously not having stock shortages as a deliberate strategy and is obviously not holding back stock out of spite. The condescension is reserved specifically for people who have not purchased a product nor ordered it yet act as though they're being duped somehow.

Just wait for them to sort the issues they're having or go elsewhere for the same goods. There is no option to refuse to accept it, it is what it is.

 Caveman wrote:
GAW's stock a year ago was trading at $645 is currently sitting at an all time high of $2500, net income has more than doubled since last year, cash flow has doubled since last year, and revenue is up 50%. Please tell us more about how you think management at GAW don't know what they're doing.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/GAW.L/financials?p=GAW.L

I'm not arguing for/against anything you said here. I just want to point out that you're missing a decimal place. For whatever reason, the British Stock Exchange (or whatever it's called) leaves off the decimal. Assuming your numbers are right, that's 6.45 per share and now 25.00 per share.

Still about 3x what it was last year.

This seems like excessive negativity, even for Dakka.

Table wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Table wrote:
Im sorry, I try to be as nice as possible on this forum, but I just have to state that the levels of entitlement on this thread are staggering. You have no idea whats going on. I do not either. But I can assure you that this is not aimed at you and most certainly not the first time this has happened.

When the Legions codex hit almost a year ago GW ran out of nearly half the chaos lineup. Took them months to restock.

Kits dont poof into reality and there is limit capacity at the production level. So when they (GW) do something right and release a popular update to a range there is a chance they will have more demand than supply, It has happened before and it will happen again.

In america we have this problem that the hottest christmas toys seem to sell out quickly and supply cannot meet demand, we even have after market sellers who stock pile in anticipation. GW is not alone in this issue.

I am not a GW apologist. I am just not entitled.

My apologies if I've come off as entitled. GW is a company, they'll do as they well please and if they're missing out on some money from me buying Tyranids, I'm almost 99% sure they're recouping it from 3 or 4 others buying marines; I get that. But the problem with literally having over half the army out of stock (I'm too lazy to check for Nids right now, but that really doesn't look to be much of an exaggeration in the US at least) is that it means that new players are all going to be getting into the same armies, playing very similar lists. Nids are actually one of the few Xenos armies that have a mostly plastic range; if you're not into the blocky Mary Sues, the hungry bugs used to make for a great alternative. But how can you rampage through Marine lines with your Carnifex if you can't buy a Carnifex?

Just saying -- I hope GW's able to fix these production issues soon.

Doh! Im sorry I was not more clear. My statement was mainly targeted at Xenomancers. I just dont like insulting people or causing problems, Im a beta male I guess :(

But yes, it sucks when GW's webstore runs out of stock. For years they have been pushing the webstore as a main source of sales despite its negative impact of independent stockists, so we get used to using it. When I sold my lolcrons last year I needed to build a chaos force from scratch. And found it almost impossible to do that with their stocking issues at the time. Literally half the range was either OOS or OOP.

So I just hit the streets and got things at my LGS. Amazon or ebay works great to. While I am impressed at the changes taking place at GW I am by no means a fan boy., They have been a sh#t company for many years.

No offense taken, but thanks for the apology! I'm 100% with you. I've gotta wonder -- if 40k had gone the M:tG route and not been as proprietary with where their stuff is sold, I wonder where the game would be now. I think they've started taking the right steps in that regard (stuff like Battle for Vedros is a great idea), but I could see them having achieved a much wider audience if they'd engaged with the big box stores a long time ago.


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 matt123456790 wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

 matt123456790 wrote:
Not sure what the US has to do with it, but there are massive logistic operations in place throughout manufacturing to reduce inventory, both in terms of material and product. It's one of the biggest drivers to reduce cost and waste in manufacturing. The idea that they would produce months worth of stock just to sit there in case there was an infrastructure failure is ridiculous, that's what companies pay insurance for.

The idea of some rando posting on a forum that it's "unacceptable" is laughable.

Alrighty then -- this rando will just take his money and buy what he wants secondhand, thus cutting GW out of the equation. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Why is there such condescension towards people who just want to be able to buy something that GW ostensibly sells?

That's a completely fine and logical solution. It is in fact accepting the lack of stock that GW has and dealing with it, quite literally the opposite to the "unacceptable" reaction I was commenting on.

GW is obviously not having stock shortages as a deliberate strategy and is obviously not holding back stock out of spite. The condescension is reserved specifically for people who have not purchased a product nor ordered it yet act as though they're being duped somehow.

Just wait for them to sort the issues they're having or go elsewhere for the same goods. There is no option to refuse to accept it, it is what it is.

Fair point -- this place doesn't need any more griping for griping's sake.

 matt123456790 wrote:
Not sure what the US has to do with it, but there are massive logistic operations in place throughout manufacturing to reduce inventory, both in terms of material and product. It's one of the biggest drivers to reduce cost and waste in manufacturing. The idea that they would produce months worth of stock just to sit there in case there was an infrastructure failure is ridiculous, that's what companies pay insurance for.

The idea of some rando posting on a forum that it's "unacceptable" is laughable.

Agreed. Stock costs money. The more stock they have just sitting around the more they are paying for. GW doesn't want to have stock sitting any more than stores(stuff sitting on stores can be so expensive it can be better for stores to literally sell stuf for loss rather than keep it hoping somebody buys. Case in point AOS starter sets during first half year when many stores found they couldn't get rid of them so sold them for less than they paid themselves plus had to pay shipping...). GW has actually clearly been reducing amount of stuff they keep available and combined with declinining # of sales they had it's not that surprising they weren't counting on quite this turn around. Then coupled with production issues and no surprise they ran into hickup.

Good thing they by chance or for some other reason had decided well ahead to not release any new models or production issues would be even worse(seeing most model sales are in first few months of it's lifetime so those new models would have been on priority)

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:


Alrighty, you're GW, a large, venerable miniatures company with an incredibly valuable, respected IP. Somehow, you find yourself *behind* in the tabletop space, in an era where tabletop games and nerd hobbies are hugely popular. You manage to make a comeback and your stock soars. You've done well, but is that really such a coup? Anyway, this is all beyond the point.

I want to buy Tyranids from GW. I can't -- that kind of sucks. The point of this thread is to commiserate on how that fact kind of sucks.

No it isn't. This is literally the first sentence of the OP "How is it possible for a company to fail so badly?"

It sucks, yes. Does that mean GW is currently poorly managed? That's a pretty hard claim to make and verify.

PS: 'Future of FAQs' has absolutely no bearing on this discussion; if you're going to start a discussion on how great GW's rules are, you should do it in another thread. To put it lightly, that opinion is a tiny bit controversial.

The article doesn't support how great the rules are - it demonstrates the increasing level of engagement and awareness GW has towards the community. It's the swan song for people who still act like we're dealing with "Old GW".

Does that mean you have to like every thing GW does? No, absolutely not, but it's probably time to start reflecting on our perceptions a little more.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/searchResults?N=2562756967+3206404541+114138398

Bet you that these are stocked up big time. No time to make nids when you got all your injectors pumping out snap tite primaris models.

Yes Xeno - because the snap tight models are new releases and from a faster selling model range. As has been discussed. These were produced ahead of release - it isn't a conspiracy theory, you're just a conspiracy theorist.

They still sell Goff Rockers from GWs homepage. That is what you end up doing if you keep too large inventories.

 Farseer_V2 wrote:
Yes Xeno - because the snap tites are new releases and from a faster selling model range. As has been discussed.

Not denying that space marines sell best for them. They shouldn't be selling best for them at the expense of other sales though. A time will pass soon when the nids time to shine is over...or another release coincides with the stock of nids rolling off the line - it will cost them money - money they didn't have to lose.

I mean FFS - they already have tons of redemptor dreads and agressors on the shelves at every strore I go to. Why would you waste production time on something that is already widely available to the customer...granted it's an "easy to build" kit but still - You are doubling the amount of agressors and redemptors on the shelves when you could put some carnifex and ravenours and hive gaurd up there too. Plus - I can't even get the product off their own webstore? People need to be fired is what I am saying. Too much stupidity going on.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Farseer_V2 wrote:
Yes Xeno - because the snap tites are new releases and from a faster selling model range. As has been discussed.

Not denying that space marines sell best for them. They shouldn't be selling best for them at the expense of other sales though. A time will pass soon when the nids time to shine is over...or another release coincides with the stock of nids rolling off the line - it will cost them money - money they didn't have to lose.

I mean FFS - they already have tons of redemptor dreads and agressors on the shelves at every strore I go to. Why would you waste production time on something that is already widely available to the customer...granted it's an "easy to build" kit but still - You are doubling the amount of agressors and redemptors on the shelves when you could put some carnifex and ravenours and hive gaurd up there too. Plus - I can't even get the product off their own webstore? People need to be fired is what I am saying. Too much stupidity going on.

That there is a ready supply of Space Marine kits but sold out everywhere of Tyranids definitely suggests that Tyranids are outselling Marines at the moment.

Well fortunately Xeno you don't get to make those decisions - firing people because you can't get the toys want is pretty rough. Especially in light of the fact that they're down in manufacturing capacity currently.

What they're likely doing is keeping up with core products first and catching up on other stock later. But at this point I believe you HONESTLY in your heart of hearts believe they are choosing not to run Tyranids at the expense of new releases when the new releases have already been printed and boxed by now.

Xenomancers is proof Winston Churchill was right.

Sorry dude, but from your rantings you have proven you have literally less than zero knowledge of either GW's operation, the business of miniature manufacturing or business in general.

It's already been explained to you multiple times that the shortages are not GW's fault and that there is literally nothing GW could have done without spending literal millions on a new production plant somewhere. If you're willing to stump up the cash, be my guest.

 Xenomancers wrote:
People need to be fired is what I am saying.

Why don't you crack on with it then?

So this whole thread is about someone couldn't buy Carnifexes from the GW game store? They restocked last week and sold out in 2 days. I don't think GW could have predicted people had a high demand for an okay-ish unit in the Tyranid codex. Just tell them to email you when it restocks, simmer down, and buy it when it comes back in a week or 2. Its the holiday season stuff gets bought up quick. Happy Holidays.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Xenomancers is proof Winston Churchill was right.

Sorry dude, but from your rantings you have proven you have literally less than zero knowledge of either GW's operation, the business of miniature manufacturing or business in general.

It's already been explained to you multiple times that the shortages are not GW's fault and that there is literally nothing GW could have done without spending literal millions on a new production plant somewhere. If you're willing to stump up the cash, be my guest.

LOL - the part that is funny is where you say it's not GW's fault that they don't have their products available for sale at their release dates and 5 weeks after. When this date was likely set in motion over a year ago and we only get wind of when a new release is coming a few weeks before. It really is comical. FYI - I don't need to know a quibit of how GW production works. I hold it to the same standard of any other company that produces it's own products. It might very well be that "the way GW operates" is the reason for their terrible supply problems - that is still GW's fault though. BTW - I always likes this quote from Winston - "Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things"

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 Funzeez wrote:
So this whole thread is about someone couldn't buy Carnifexes from the GW game store? They restocked last week and sold out in 2 days. I don't think GW could have predicted people had a high demand for an okay-ish unit in the Tyranid codex. Just tell them to email you when it restocks, simmer down, and buy it when it comes back in a week or 2. Its the holiday season stuff gets bought up quick. Happy Holidays.

Riight...being able to buy a product I want at a store for GW products is almost impossible - that is something I never expect. I am forced to order it online and wait for delivery...and I am fine with that. When I can't order a product for 5 weeks (really they have been unavailable for longer than that but I can't tell you exactly how long) I have to scratch my head and wonder...What kind of dorks run this company?


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 matt123456790 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
People need to be fired is what I am saying.

Why don't you crack on with it then?

Would if I could buddy.


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 Farseer_V2 wrote:
Well fortunately Xeno you don't get to make those decisions - firing people because you can't get the toys want is pretty rough. Especially in light of the fact that they're down in manufacturing capacity currently.

What they're likely doing is keeping up with core products first and catching up on other stock later. But at this point I believe you HONESTLY in your heart of hearts believe they are choosing not to run Tyranids at the expense of new releases when the new releases have already been printed and boxed by now.

War-hammer 40k is their core product...New release of codex for an army is a huge sales incentive. It makes 0 sense to ignore that. If they literally can't make the product that is one thing but we all know they can. It wouldn't be firing people because I can't get my toys ether...quite obviously it would be people getting fired because their inability to do their job and costing the company and share holders money - I assure you - this is how the rest of the world works. It's a good thing it works that way too - it maximizes profits and lowers the cost the consumer in the long run.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Would if I could buddy.

Oh yeah I forgot you're not actually in charge of GW for a moment there and you're just moaning to other people that have no sway over the problem.

Martel732 wrote:
This seems like excessive negativity, even for Dakka.

Yeah, I mean... GW's factory has been having massive power shortage issues due to circumstances entirely beyond their control. The entire topic should end there.

Tylendal wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
This seems like excessive negativity, even for Dakka.

Yeah, I mean... GW's factory has been having massive power shortage issues due to circumstances entirely beyond their control. The entire topic should end there.

Don't be niave - just look at their website. New snap tite agressors and redemptors avaiable for preorder (as in they are being built and packaged right now)...carnifex - still out of stock.


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Martel732 wrote:
This seems like excessive negativity, even for Dakka.

Explain?

Dude 1/4 new kits is already OOS.

You are also very delusional if you think the preorders of this weel are being worked on, today/right now. That's at least a few weeks to allow buffer/transport.( by boat, you don't fly that kind of thing across the ocean).

 Xenomancers wrote:

Don't be niave - just look at their website. New snap tite agressors and redemptors avaiable for preorder (as in they are being built and packaged right now)...carnifex - still out of stock.

If the Carnifex was in stock, then something else would be out of stock. They are currently physically incapable of keeping everything in stock right now, due to circumstances beyond their control.