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I wanting people opinions on the wording on brb on pg 215 in regards to its meaning, i started this thread to just deal with this issue rather than its implacations

The phrase on brb pg 215

The same stratagems cannot be used by the same player more than once during any single phase . This does not affect stratagems that are not used during a phase, such as those used before the battle begins or at the end of a battle round

I am reading this to mean that "before" is not during a battle round and " end of " is not during a battle round

Just want to make sure im not reading it completly wrong

Before the game begins is not during a battle round.

You might get some debate on whether you can have time between battle rounds that isn't in a phase.

It's probably easiest if you point to a specific example of something you might want to do though.

Im trying to find an example of the meaning "end of"

The rules state that during a battle round each player has a turn made up of phases.

I read this as meaning if you have started a battle round you are in a turn meaning your in a phase.

Now on brb pg 215 it clearly states that before is effectivly the same as end of ie there not in a phase.

Ok, well there is no clear cut explanation of how that works in the rules. It is not clearly stated whether the end of a battle round is part of previous phase or battle round, or separate sub phase in its own right.

There are many page discussions on this forum debating how it should be handled.

The common view seems to be there is no time inbetween phases, so that must mean theres no time inbetween player turns and no time inbetween battle rounds
Correct?
Player turns are defined as happening during a battle round so if your in a battle round your in a turn which is in a phase
Correct?

Now on brb pg 215 it clearly states that "before the battle " is not in a phase and that "at the end of a battle round" is not a phase

Can someone please explain why this example in the rule book works if at the end of is not effectivly the same as after or not in

ian wrote:
The common view seems to be there is no time inbetween phases, so that must mean theres no time inbetween player turns and no time inbetween battle rounds
Correct?
Player turns are defined as happening during a battle round so if your in a battle round your in a turn which is in a phase
Correct?

Now on brb pg 215 it clearly states that "before the battle " is not in a phase and that "at the end of a battle round" is not a phase

Can someone please explain why this example in the rule book works if at the end of is not effectivly the same as after or not in

Are you saying there is no end? That there is... only war?

But more seriously... there has to be an end to a battle round and the beginning of a next, but does it say anywhere that a battle round must immediately begin after the "last" phase of the previous one... I assume the last phase is the morale one. When are objective points totted up (I can't remember, sorry).

I've seen a few discussions about this, but most of them loop around in logical paradoxes, which are probably inevitable due to human nature, unclear rules, and a need for a state of inbetween phases or some kind of "interrupt" event. I don't think you'll get a clear answer unless you house rule it or GW FAQ it or run the rules through a logic engine which does not draw it's power from the immaterium.

TarkinLarson wrote:

ian wrote:
The common view seems to be there is no time inbetween phases, so that must mean theres no time inbetween player turns and no time inbetween battle rounds
Correct?
Player turns are defined as happening during a battle round so if your in a battle round your in a turn which is in a phase
Correct?

Now on brb pg 215 it clearly states that "before the battle " is not in a phase and that "at the end of a battle round" is not a phase

Can someone please explain why this example in the rule book works if at the end of is not effectivly the same as after or not in

Are you saying there is no end? That there is... only war?

/thread

Also there is already a thread debating this. Why start a second thread to discuss the same thing? I expect this will be locked shortly.

Thank you just wanted to make sure i wasnt going mad and that it isnt complety clear cut.

I started a new thread as the other one was about using stratagems and deepstriking and i was hoping to focus on the issues of start and end and when it happens in a broader sense but i am happy now that there has been debates on the idea of inbetween phase ect and a clear answer hasnt been found