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https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/warhammer_40000_The_Big_FAQ_1_2018_en.pdf

FAQ LINK!!!! GO GO GO!

So much gold in this FAQ. FNP no longer stacks


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Dark Talon went up 20 points. Ouch, but probably fair.

Gah! - My biovores went to 50pts!

tneva82 wrote:
Yes. And 3det is only suggestion officially but in practice it is iron hard rule that is even more rigorously followed than premeasuring is allowed.

Theory is irrelevant. Only practice matters and that shows tournamen' rules are defacto. Hopefully you don#t own deathwing as they just became illegal

The only theory here is your own. If my group chooses to use more than three detachments per X amount of points, we'll play it that way. I do play this game, it's no theory for me.

If the three detachment rule is used without exception in standard pick-up games, it's likely because the parties involved don't realize it's a recommendation for organized events. If there's no friendly discussion with other players, why even bother playing the game? Just complain on forums all day about how the game (or army Y) is unplayable.

Also, a friend plays deathwing, and even abiding to this tournament recommendation of only 3 of each non-troops, non-transport, he could still make an army. 3x each of any; Deathwing Terminator Sqauds, Deathwing Knights, Deathwing Cataphractii Terminator Squads, Deathwing Tartaros Terminator Squads, + any variation of characters from HQ/Elites, and vehicles. Who's theory is this again?

I'm a bit confused by the Battle Brothers rules change when it comes to Ynnari. Does it mean that none of your detachments can mix Aeldari? I would have thought that was the whole point of a Ynnari army.

So it's functionally equivalent to a multi-Aeldari list except you swap Battle Focus, PfP etc...

A bit odd.

Related Errata
Index: Imperium 1 Page 87 – Damned Legionnaires, Abilities
Add the following ability:
‘Saviours From Beyond: As long as your Warlord is from the Imperium, you can include this unit in a Vanguard
Detachment even if that Detachment contains no HQ units. However, if you do so, that Detachment’s Command
Benefits are changed to ‘None’.’

So... You can now take a Vanguard Detachment without taking a HQ?!?!?!?! Or am i missing something here?

Is that it ....

dumb_numpty wrote:
I'm a bit confused by the Battle Brothers rules change when it comes to Ynnari. Does it mean that none of your detachments can mix Aeldari? I would have thought that was the whole point of a Ynnari army.

So it's functionally equivalent to a multi-Aeldari list except you swap Battle Focus, PfP etc...

A bit odd.

Index: Xenos 1 Page 76 – Army of the Reborn Replace this paragraph with the following: ‘If your army is Battle-forged and the Warlord of your army is either Yvraine, the Visarch or the Yncarne then you can include any of these models in any Craftworlds, Harlequins or Drukhari Detachment (as defined in their respective codexes), provided that the Detachment does not include any of the following: Urien Rakarth, Drazhar, Mandrakes, the Avatar of Khaine or any <Haemonculus Coven> units. You can include these models in the Detachment even if you are using the Battle Brothers matched play rule.
If Yvraine, the Visarch or the Yncarne is included in a Detachment, all Aeldari units in that Detachment gain the Ynnari keyword. These units cannot use any of the following abilities, and are not considered to have them: Ancient Doom, Battle Focus, Rising Crescendo, Power From Pain. Instead, Ynnari Infantry and Biker units gain the Strength from Death ability, as described below. The Detachment is still considered to be a Craftworlds, Harlequins or Drukhari Detachment, and so can use Craftworlds, Harlequins or Drukhari Stratagems, Warlord Traits and Relics respectively. Note that these units will not, however, gain any of the Detachment abilities listed in their respective codexes (such as The Path of War, Craftworld Attributes, Masque Forms, Drukhari Obsessions, etc.).’

dumb_numpty wrote:
I'm a bit confused by the Battle Brothers rules change when it comes to Ynnari. Does it mean that none of your detachments can mix Aeldari? I would have thought that was the whole point of a Ynnari army.

So it's functionally equivalent to a multi-Aeldari list except you swap Battle Focus, PfP etc...

A bit odd.

Ynnari is a keyword alongside Aeldari that gets given to all the units in that detachment. So, you can still use eldar from all 3 factions in the 1 detachment, as they will have the Ynnari keyword. You can then still have your 1 craftworlds detachment for stratagems, and your 1 DE detachment for Agents of Vect...

Sums up my thoughts perfectly.

Just read the FAQ and as I suspected it makes no difference to how I will play. It's is just a FAQ for matched play and people who play the game for the love of the universe it's set in will only have to add some extra command points to their forces. Easy.

 Formosa wrote:
Is that it ....

All the army FAQs got hit...except GK...

And DA/BA/AC

There are also FAQs for all codices, so don't falter to early.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Is that it ....

All the army FAQs got hit...except GK...

GW made sure they got hit with the new deep strike rules. Altering other mechanics would just dilute the impact of this major nerf.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

dumb_numpty wrote:
I'm a bit confused by the Battle Brothers rules change when it comes to Ynnari. Does it mean that none of your detachments can mix Aeldari? I would have thought that was the whole point of a Ynnari army.

So it's functionally equivalent to a multi-Aeldari list except you swap Battle Focus, PfP etc...

A bit odd.

Index: Xenos 1 Page 76 – Army of the Reborn Replace this paragraph with the following: ‘If your army is Battle-forged and the Warlord of your army is either Yvraine, the Visarch or the Yncarne then you can include any of these models in any Craftworlds, Harlequins or Drukhari Detachment (as defined in their respective codexes), provided that the Detachment does not include any of the following: Urien Rakarth, Drazhar, Mandrakes, the Avatar of Khaine or any <Haemonculus Coven> units. You can include these models in the Detachment even if you are using the Battle Brothers matched play rule.
If Yvraine, the Visarch or the Yncarne is included in a Detachment, all Aeldari units in that Detachment gain the Ynnari keyword. These units cannot use any of the following abilities, and are not considered to have them: Ancient Doom, Battle Focus, Rising Crescendo, Power From Pain. Instead, Ynnari Infantry and Biker units gain the Strength from Death ability, as described below. The Detachment is still considered to be a Craftworlds, Harlequins or Drukhari Detachment, and so can use Craftworlds, Harlequins or Drukhari Stratagems, Warlord Traits and Relics respectively. Note that these units will not, however, gain any of the Detachment abilities listed in their respective codexes (such as The Path of War, Craftworld Attributes, Masque Forms, Drukhari Obsessions, etc.).’

I obviously need to go do some more reading. Aren't the Xenos updates essentially what they were before + a Battle Brothers exemption? I don't see what they needed to call Ynnari out in the Battle Brothers rule and then clarify that they are exempt in the Xenos rule update. I've clearly missed their point.

No nerf to the biker captain

 techsoldaten wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Is that it ....

All the army FAQs got hit...except GK...

GW made sure they got hit with the new deep strike rules. Altering other mechanics would just dilute the impact of this major nerf.

Sorry - DA, BA, and AC did not get hit as well.

DId the previous FAQ make Summary Execution mandatory? It's optional now.

 Formosa wrote:
Is that it ....

I was really surprised. I thought no point changes or a lot of them, but a mere couple dozen changes was a surprising middle ground

Wow there are so many cool changes in this FAQ, kudos to GW for being so bold!

Glad I didn’t order a Fire Raptor just for my 40k DA...

That 0-3 datasheets per army restriction though. Ouch.

For the Ynarri Rules i think it means you cant have a mixed detachment of drukhari and craftworld stuff, instead its either a ynarri,craftworld detachment, or a ynarri drukhari detachment,

battle brothers states you have to share a keyword that isnt aeldari or ynarri,

Am I missing something about Spiritseers and Warlocks? Is there a reason they went up 20 points each?

Interesting...it looks like they fixed Commissars, the blammo'd dude no longer counts against the morale test.

Really weird to see which things they fix, what they break, and what they ignore...

Cinderspirit wrote:
There are also FAQs for all codices, so don't falter to early.

Pretty massive change to the Imperium 2 Index

They better of nerfed Imperial Guard and their ridiculously overpowered double shooting tanks.

Hmmm i dont quite get it. Do they contradict themselves?

"This means that you can still include appropriate allies, but now they might need to be included in a different
Detachment. "

vs a few lines later

"BATTLE BROTHERS
All of the units in each Detachment in your Battle-forged army must have at least one Faction keyword in common. In addition, this keyword cannot
be Chaos, Imperium, Aeldari, Ynnari or Tyranids, unless the Detachment in question is a Fortification Network. This has no effect on your
Army Faction."


so i cant play celestine with my admech or genestealer & tyranids?

The biggest change is the unseen one.

The Death Guard FAQ that allowed stratagems to be used cross factions is gone.

You can no longer use a Chaos Marine stratagem on a Death Guard, Codex Marines on blood angels and so on.

It's not really an FAQ is it? It's full of errata, new rules and beta rules too

 dan2026 wrote:
They better of nerfed Imperial Guard and their ridiculously overpowered double shooting tanks.

They haven’t, but they nerfed Baneblade-type vehicles as they are back to being unable to fire Overwatch if enemy models are within 1”.