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I wanne move some wytches out of my ravager or venom. How do I measure? More speseifically the vertical aspect of the measuring.

Doesn't both the ravager and venom have a base?

I thought they did.

Since they do ( I think) you just measure from the base, like for every other unit with a base. ( If I am remembering correctly).

Measure from the base.

Raiderr and Ravager have the „hovering“ rule, so you measure from the hull. Venom is measured from base because it is missing the rule.

 Niiai wrote:
I wanne move some wytches out of my ravager or venom. How do I measure? More speseifically the vertical aspect of the measuring.

Read the datasheet for the Raider, it has the hovering rule. Venoms measure to the base like all other models.

Yes. But how do I measure from the reider?

1- Do I measure in 'air lines', as the crow flyes?

2- Or do I measure 90 degrees straight down and then fom there. With them being about 2" down I can only deploy 1" from them?

3- Or do I measure 3" from the hull vertically?

If it is 2 and 3, where can I measure from? Can I model from advantage.

 Niiai wrote:
Yes. But how do I measure from the reider?

1- Do I measure in 'air lines', as the crow flyes?

2- Or do I measure 90 degrees straight down and then fom there. With them being about 2" down I can only deploy 1" from them?

3- Or do I measure 3" from the hull vertically?

If it is 2 and 3, where can I measure from? Can I model from advantage.

You measure the actual distance from the base or from the hull. Whichever is closest.

That does not awnser what I am asking. How am I measuring? And not from the base on ravagers. You of all people should get your facts straight BaconCatBug.

1 - 2D in a 3D world?

2 - 3D, down to the ground and then distance on the table?

3 - 3D obliquely?

Edit: I also do the seame when I try to get into a transport, right?

I do not understand if it is my bad English, or that the question is confusing.

I made this little drawing of a ravager (brown) and the dark eldar model (black) and the 3 options for interpeting the measuring.

The last one. All distances are measured base to base. However the Raider has a rule saying to measure to the hull or the base, whatever is closest. Thus you measure to the hull.

I would say the hovering rule means its number 3 from the hull to the models base.

Technically it's 3. But i'd opt for consistency over "technical" correctness.

I use the bases of my non-flyer flying units for all to/from measuring. My DS actually is converted on a oval base than the standard large flying base it comes with. It makes measuring distance clear cut.

So when I a unit deploys out if a transport, I do picture 3. Can I also measure out their movement or do I have place all the models within 3 and then move them afterwards?

 Niiai wrote:
So when I a unit deploys out if a transport, I do picture 3. Can I also measure out their movement or do I have place all the models within 3 and then move them afterwards?

You place them all within 3, then measure their movement.

Follow up question. How do I measure movement over terain?

Option 1, 2 or 3 from before?

 Niiai wrote:
Follow up question. How do I measure movement over terain?

Option 1, 2 or 3 from before?

You ignore all vertical movement when you can FLY, as per the current FAQs. So you'd measure #1 as though it were top down.

 Niiai wrote:
Follow up question. How do I measure movement over terain?

Option 1, 2 or 3 from before?

If you're asking how to measure distance between a model placed on top of elevated terrain to model places on the ground, it is also 3. This is covered in the FAQ.

 skchsan wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
Follow up question. How do I measure movement over terain?

Option 1, 2 or 3 from before?

If you're asking how to measure distance between a model placed on top of elevated terrain to model places on the ground, it is also 3. This is covered in the FAQ.

Not if your moving and are not a flyer.

Non fly do option 2 for movement
Units with Fly get to do option 1 for movement

 skchsan wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
Follow up question. How do I measure movement over terain?

Option 1, 2 or 3 from before?

If you're asking how to measure distance between a model placed on top of elevated terrain to model places on the ground, it is also 3. This is covered in the FAQ.

Q: When a unit that can Fly declares a charge move against a
unit that is on the upper levels of a ruin, do I need to include
the vertical distance when making the subsequent charge move
for the unit?
A: No. A unit that can Fly effectively ignores vertical
distances when making a charge move. Note though that
the charging unit must still be within 12" (measured
directly ‘base-to-base’, i.e. diagonally) to be able to
declare the charge in the first place.

Since charge moves use the base movement rules, it stands to reason that you also ignore vertical movement when normally moving.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
Follow up question. How do I measure movement over terain?

Option 1, 2 or 3 from before?

If you're asking how to measure distance between a model placed on top of elevated terrain to model places on the ground, it is also 3. This is covered in the FAQ.

Q: When a unit that can Fly declares a charge move against a
unit that is on the upper levels of a ruin, do I need to include
the vertical distance when making the subsequent charge move
for the unit?
A: No. A unit that can Fly effectively ignores vertical
distances when making a charge move. Note though that
the charging unit must still be within 12" (measured
directly ‘base-to-base’, i.e. diagonally) to be able to
declare the charge in the first place.

Since charge moves use the base movement rules, it stands to reason that you also ignore vertical movement when normally moving.

Agreed.

In this example.

 Niiai wrote:
In this example.

6" from base to base. FLY ignores terrain. If you stopped half way to land on top of the terrain, it would be 3" move.

Well the base on top of the hill would also be 6 from base to base, asuming the hill is tall enough. It does not really reflect in the paint picture. But picture 2 also has 6 from base to base. He would how ever have traveled much further then 6".

FLY ignores terrain and models. Units with FLY treat the battlefield as two dimensional. There is no elevation, no height for them. Thats why they move 6" in a straight line in picture two on the ground, and ignore that hill.

The model in the picture does not have fly though.

 Niiai wrote:
The model in the picture does not have fly though.

Then you measure the actual distance moved, including vertical movement.

So that would be picture 1 then, on top of the hill. Even though picture 2 also only have moved 6.

Also, how do I measure distance? As in the disemebark picture 3?

When they've talked about vertical movement before, they have said that for inantry you take the sum of vertical and horizontal, so that would be picture 2. Some units may have a special rule besides FLY that lets them ignore the vertical movement, however.