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Welcome to Glasshammer Gaming. We are a group of competitive UK based Team England ETC players running the new community page to showcase the ETC.

The website is now LIVE! The new ETC FAQ and Rules pack is live on our website. We have blog posts released on a weekly basis, a list building service, links to new events (TOs can promote their events on our website) and much more. We also do 20% off GW products.

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11/5/18: Our next List Analysis series is up on the website, with a guest article. Neil Powell from ETC Team Scotland discusses his Ork army for the upcoming LGT 40k Tournament. Check it out here:

https://www.glasshammergaming.co.uk/2018/05/11/list-analysis-neil-powells-lgt-orks-army/

List writing for money? And here was me thinking the world couldn't get any madder....

stroller wrote:
List writing for money? And here was me thinking the world couldn't get any madder....

People wouldn't be offering this service if there wasn't a demand for it.

Wouldn't they? Some people have bad ideas about businesses and I can't think of any time you'd need a list writing service.

Entirely upto people to use it or not mate but if people need help designing a top tier list or want some advice about their own then we are here to help

stroller wrote:
List writing for money? And here was me thinking the world couldn't get any madder....

I think it's mad that people pay for Tabletop Tactics and Mini Wargaming videos. Or literally any crowdfunding thing. Each to their own.

 Sim-Life wrote:

stroller wrote:
List writing for money? And here was me thinking the world couldn't get any madder....

I think it's mad that people pay for Tabletop Tactics and Mini Wargaming videos. Or literally any crowdfunding thing. Each to their own.

People pay for that ?

 LexOdin9 wrote:

stroller wrote:
List writing for money? And here was me thinking the world couldn't get any madder....

People wouldn't be offering this service if there wasn't a demand for it.

Of course they would. Bad ideas are free.

You guys could probably do with a darker colour for the text, increase the contrast and it'll be a lot easier to read.

 gbghg wrote:
You guys could probably do with a darker colour for the text, increase the contrast and it'll be a lot easier to read.

Thanks for the feedback mate I'll let the admin junky know haha

Competition gamers....making the hobby fun for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

licclerich wrote:
Competition gamers....making the hobby fun for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only use Tournament Player Approved miniatures for The Best Competitive Results. Remember, unless a model has been in a top table list at a tournament, it's worthless.

No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

 Sim-Life wrote:


But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

And there is your problem...

Happy to help you figure out what is actually good though

 Sim-Life wrote:

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You're very upset about people playing a wargame well. Dakka's combination obsession with top tier tournament play and complete lack of understanding of it isn't reflective of the rest of the world, which mostly doesn't care about any of it.

If people want to waste their money paying Alex for list advice when they can just go and look at his actual lists fairly easily then that's on them, but maybe taking it as a personal insult isn't your best angle.

It is also a useful service for people who are too busy playtest extensively, and if paying a very moderate amount gets them a bespoke competitive list then why not. It's just time vs money.

If people want to play I am sure they can design some good lists.

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You're very upset about people playing a wargame well. Dakka's combination obsession with top tier tournament play and complete lack of understanding of it isn't reflective of the rest of the world, which mostly doesn't care about any of it.

If people want to waste their money paying Alex for list advice when they can just go and look at his actual lists fairly easily then that's on them, but maybe taking it as a personal insult isn't your best angle.

He accused me of being toxic, which is a way of trying to shut down opposing view points when someone doesn't actually have an argument. It's basically the non-political version of calling someone an "ist".

I object to the idea of a paid service to give list advice because people WON'T learn to play well. They'll learn to use crutch units to point and click their way to wins then come on here and whine when their crutches are kicked out from under them. I take lists that would be considered awful by Dakka's standards but I win a majority of my games because I know how to play.

Playing crutch army lists is gittin gud though, at the very least it will help you win against casual lists which is for most people running LVO clone lists the point.

They wiill run iinto trouble at actual large scale tournaments but in their small ponds they will get to club baby seals with impunity.

They are just paying for it iinstead of having to go google up the list themselves.

 auticus wrote:
Playing crutch army lists is gittin gud though, at the very least it will help you win against casual lists which is for most people running LVO clone lists the point.

No, playing crutch lists is not getting good by definition and I'm glad you admit that this is a paid service to become TFG.

Why would you pay for something that takes 10 min to Google, or better yet reading the codex

 Sim-Life wrote:

 auticus wrote:
Playing crutch army lists is gittin gud though, at the very least it will help you win against casual lists which is for most people running LVO clone lists the point.

No, playing crutch lists is not getting good by definition and I'm glad you admit that this is a paid service to become TFG.

The lists do not play themselves. You still need some level of skill.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Why would you pay for something that takes 10 min to Google, or better yet reading the codex

If you're paying up to £100 for someone to make you a list I don't think you want to read the codex.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You're very upset about people playing a wargame well. Dakka's combination obsession with top tier tournament play and complete lack of understanding of it isn't reflective of the rest of the world, which mostly doesn't care about any of it.

If people want to waste their money paying Alex for list advice when they can just go and look at his actual lists fairly easily then that's on them, but maybe taking it as a personal insult isn't your best angle.

He accused me of being toxic, which is a way of trying to shut down opposing view points when someone doesn't actually have an argument. It's basically the non-political version of calling someone an "ist".

I object to the idea of a paid service to give list advice because people WON'T learn to play well. They'll learn to use crutch units to point and click their way to wins then come on here and whine when their crutches are kicked out from under them. I take lists that would be considered awful by Dakka's standards but I win a majority of my games because I know how to play.

You were acting the prick, got called on it, and continued to do so. Using good units isn't a "crutch" and there's nothing particularly better about winning with units X and Y instead of A and B. You're creating problems in your own head that don't exist, then getting angry at everyone else for not conforming to your imagined rules of the game. That's pretty toxic imo.

In a casual environment, the lists do often play themselves if you are taking tournament lists though.

Casual player with tournament list will in my experience have a significant edge against casual player with casual list.

That player will have a problem against good player with good list but anything less than that and they will be playing the game on easy mode.

Poor player with tourney list vs good player with poor list is a good game, though rare to witness.

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You're very upset about people playing a wargame well. Dakka's combination obsession with top tier tournament play and complete lack of understanding of it isn't reflective of the rest of the world, which mostly doesn't care about any of it.

If people want to waste their money paying Alex for list advice when they can just go and look at his actual lists fairly easily then that's on them, but maybe taking it as a personal insult isn't your best angle.

He accused me of being toxic, which is a way of trying to shut down opposing view points when someone doesn't actually have an argument. It's basically the non-political version of calling someone an "ist".

I object to the idea of a paid service to give list advice because people WON'T learn to play well. They'll learn to use crutch units to point and click their way to wins then come on here and whine when their crutches are kicked out from under them. I take lists that would be considered awful by Dakka's standards but I win a majority of my games because I know how to play.

You were acting the prick, got called on it, and continued to do so. Using good units isn't a "crutch" and there's nothing particularly better about winning with units X and Y instead of A and B. You're creating problems in your own head that don't exist, then getting angry at everyone else for not conforming to your imagined rules of the game. That's pretty toxic imo.

The guy calling me a prick is accusing me of being toxic. Good stuff.

You seem to be misunderstanding my issue. My issue isn't that using good units is bad. Its that RELYING on good units is bad which is what "list advice" usually boils down to. If you teach someone to take 2 units of 6 necron destroyers, all Immortals in troops and either tomb blades or wraiths depending on preferences because thats what makes a good necron list, then what happens when CA 2018 or the September FAQ rolls around and over-nerfs destroyers and buffs lychguard? Suddenly your advice is worthless and the player doesn't know how to appropriately use lychguard in terms of how to deploy them or what units they should be targetting. If you'd just left them to explore the units in their codex by themselves they wouldn't be having a problem and likely be at am advantage because they learned how to actually use their army.

 Sim-Life wrote:


The guy calling me a prick is accusing me of being toxic. Good stuff.

You seem to be misunderstanding my issue. My issue isn't that using good units is bad. Its that RELYING on good units is bad which is what "list advice" usually boils down to. If you teach someone to take 2 units of 6 necron destroyers, all Immortals in troops and either tomb blades or wraiths depending on preferences because thats what makes a good necron list, then what happens when CA 2018 or the September FAQ rolls around and over-nerfs destroyers and buffs lychguard? Suddenly your advice is worthless and the player doesn't know how to appropriately use lychguard in terms of how to deploy them or what units they should be targetting. If you'd just left them to explore the units in their codex by themselves they wouldn't be having a problem and likely be at am advantage because they learned how to actually use their army.

I dunno, man. This is a pretty poor statement:

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You have a bone to pick with competitive players and you're not really offering anything useful to the thread.

This thread seems to have run its course

You can't really knock him for providing a service.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Corrode wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

I would argue that your "help" results in a far more negative environment for 40k players. I honestly wouldn't have minded but then you went and accused me of being "toxic" which is like the distillation of pure passive aggressiveness and a vauge accusation with no meaning.

Would anyone call Dakka a bastion of goodwill and positivity in the game? No, its a hole filled with people bitching about everything under the sun and focussing on the competitive aspects of a game not designed to be played at tournament level. The focus on only taking what is competitive leads to a lack of variety in lists

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

You're very upset about people playing a wargame well. Dakka's combination obsession with top tier tournament play and complete lack of understanding of it isn't reflective of the rest of the world, which mostly doesn't care about any of it.

If people want to waste their money paying Alex for list advice when they can just go and look at his actual lists fairly easily then that's on them, but maybe taking it as a personal insult isn't your best angle.

He accused me of being toxic, which is a way of trying to shut down opposing view points when someone doesn't actually have an argument. It's basically the non-political version of calling someone an "ist".

I object to the idea of a paid service to give list advice because people WON'T learn to play well. They'll learn to use crutch units to point and click their way to wins then come on here and whine when their crutches are kicked out from under them. I take lists that would be considered awful by Dakka's standards but I win a majority of my games because I know how to play.

You were acting the prick, got called on it, and continued to do so. Using good units isn't a "crutch" and there's nothing particularly better about winning with units X and Y instead of A and B. You're creating problems in your own head that don't exist, then getting angry at everyone else for not conforming to your imagined rules of the game. That's pretty toxic imo.

The guy calling me a prick is accusing me of being toxic. Good stuff.

You seem to be misunderstanding my issue. My issue isn't that using good units is bad. Its that RELYING on good units is bad which is what "list advice" usually boils down to. If you teach someone to take 2 units of 6 necron destroyers, all Immortals in troops and either tomb blades or wraiths depending on preferences because thats what makes a good necron list, then what happens when CA 2018 or the September FAQ rolls around and over-nerfs destroyers and buffs lychguard? Suddenly your advice is worthless and the player doesn't know how to appropriately use lychguard in terms of how to deploy them or what units they should be targetting. If you'd just left them to explore the units in their codex by themselves they wouldn't be having a problem and likely be at am advantage because they learned how to actually use their army.