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**Jidmah**

Yodhrin wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
You can often tell because edges and corners are not as sharp as they are on GW's models, flat surfaces have patterns on them, damage in places where excess material was removed and certain details are less defined.

A good paintjob can hide those flaws, but if you know what to look for, you can often tell whether the model is a GW plastic model or a recast.

This is technically true, in that I've seen some recasts people bought from the very, very, very cheapest and lowest quality sources, then did nothing to the model except a basic rattlecan & 3-colour job on it which are fairly obvious.

In reality, the vast, vast, utterly vast majority of the time anyone who looks at a prepped and normally painted model and says "I can tell that's a recast" is either lying or delusional. Hell the vast majority of the time when someone looks at an un-prepped, un-painted model and claims they can tell it's a recast they're spouting bollocks - I got accused of owning a recast Titan Techpriest from FW last year when I took it along to a painting thing a local group were doing, and the reality is the wee crawly-bumlick making the accusation was just too young to remember when FW sometimes used a cream coloured resin. And I've seen similar nonsense before, people donning their GW Volunteer Copyright Policeman uniform and getting out the handcuffs because they can apparently recall the exact hexidecimal colour value of the grey dye FW use in their resin and have spotted a model they insist is "too light" or "too dark", which is a farce given batches will naturally vary over time.

The only way you can ever conclusively know a model is a recast unless it's naked of paint and so hideously malformed it couldn't pass even FW's standards of quality control, is if the owner admits it's a recast, and this ludicrous McCarthyist attitude that's growing up around the issue in some circles is ridiculous. That's not an endorsement of recasting, just a condemnation of the kneejerk "That model has slightly more pronounced mold lines than I personally had on my model, BURN THE WITCH!" attitude that seems to be growing more commonplace.

I'm pretty sure you can see tell plastic recasts reliably unless there has is a good paintjob done to them. You do need to know the legit model in order to spot the differences though.

Mind you, this does not apply to resign miniatures, especially not GW's finecast range. Some of the legit models look worse than the recasts.

As for FW: I have no experience with recasts, but I can guarantee that you can tell 3d printed models from legit FW models very, very easily - without caring for color at all.

**Yodhrin**

Jidmah wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
You can often tell because edges and corners are not as sharp as they are on GW's models, flat surfaces have patterns on them, damage in places where excess material was removed and certain details are less defined.

A good paintjob can hide those flaws, but if you know what to look for, you can often tell whether the model is a GW plastic model or a recast.

This is technically true, in that I've seen some recasts people bought from the very, very, very cheapest and lowest quality sources, then did nothing to the model except a basic rattlecan & 3-colour job on it which are fairly obvious.

In reality, the vast, vast, utterly vast majority of the time anyone who looks at a prepped and normally painted model and says "I can tell that's a recast" is either lying or delusional. Hell the vast majority of the time when someone looks at an un-prepped, un-painted model and claims they can tell it's a recast they're spouting bollocks - I got accused of owning a recast Titan Techpriest from FW last year when I took it along to a painting thing a local group were doing, and the reality is the wee crawly-bumlick making the accusation was just too young to remember when FW sometimes used a cream coloured resin. And I've seen similar nonsense before, people donning their GW Volunteer Copyright Policeman uniform and getting out the handcuffs because they can apparently recall the exact hexidecimal colour value of the grey dye FW use in their resin and have spotted a model they insist is "too light" or "too dark", which is a farce given batches will naturally vary over time.

The only way you can ever conclusively know a model is a recast unless it's naked of paint and so hideously malformed it couldn't pass even FW's standards of quality control, is if the owner admits it's a recast, and this ludicrous McCarthyist attitude that's growing up around the issue in some circles is ridiculous. That's not an endorsement of recasting, just a condemnation of the kneejerk "That model has slightly more pronounced mold lines than I personally had on my model, BURN THE WITCH!" attitude that seems to be growing more commonplace.

I'm pretty sure you can see tell plastic recasts reliably unless there has is a good paintjob done to them. You do need to know the legit model in order to spot the differences though.

You really can't. Someone taking crummy pressmolds with instamold and putty for their own use, maybe that's easy to tell, but the commercially available stuff that most people are talking about when they claim they've spotted recasts in someone's army, unless from the cheapest and nastiest of sources, are not distinguishable from the GW plastic kits once assembled, nevermind painted.

As for FW: I have no experience with recasts, but I can guarantee that you can tell 3d printed models from legit FW models very, very easily - without caring for color at all.

Also, and this one really biles ma pish - 3D printing is not recasting. It is not legally equivalent to recasting. It is not ethically equivalent to recasting. Recasting is, whatever someone might think of it, unlawful, unequivocally. Making fanart is not unlawful. Printing fanart(with the permission of the artist) is not unlawful. That doesn't suddenly change just because the fanart is three dimensional - so long as nobody is scanning GW models or ripping assets out of licensed videogames, and so long as nothing is being sold, there is no logical or legal basis for putting someone 3D printing a freely available fan-made miniature on the same level as someone taking a model GW have made and making a direct copy to sell for profit.

**tneva82**

One easy way for judge to distinguish recast from legit plastic. Lift ip

**Yodhrin**

tneva82 wrote:
One easy way for judge to distinguish recast from legit plastic. Lift ip

Hilarious. So now folk are claiming they can tell - by hand no less - the weight difference between plastic and...slightly different plastic. You should do that trick at parties.

**Galas**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Galas wrote:
When they announced that china recasts where forbidden, something like 20-25 players began to complaint...
Two points here:

1. How would they know they were recasts? Unless we're talking a resin version of a GW plastic kit, who would ever know?
2. The people who complained are very silly. Why draw attention to yourself that way? I half expect that's what the TO's were hoping for, "honest stupidity".

Because the warhammer circle here is not that big, and everybody knows who buy from recasters. And people is very open about it. A couple of guys did make fun of me for buying a legit Stormsurged (from uk and with discount, so not like direct from gw), because for the same price they bought 2 from china, with spare for a commander.
Also, one of the organicers of the tournament is really an expert at lookibg for recasts. Because here people buy resin recasts of plastic kits. For exampke, I bought a bunch of primed Tau from ebay, from a spanish guy, and with them in hand the riptide and the broadsides are clearly recasts. They have bubbles (plastic has no bubbles) and the torso is a solidchunk... And plastic glue does not work.
I have kept them because I paid for them, and use them in friendlt games. But I wont take them to tournaments

**JSG**

People who buy recasts should be hanged.

**reds8n**

..I think we'd be best served returning to the greenskin topic.

Ta,

**Eldarsif**

davou wrote:
Dunno if anyone posted this yet, but its interesting.

https://spikeybits.com/2018/10/40k-orks-release-date-product-shortage-rumors.html

To pile more on more information, we’ve also been hearing that GW store employees reportedly aren’t allowed to take off October 13th and 20th. What could be happening on those days? Could Speed Freeks be dropping on the 13th and finally, the Ork codex on the 20th? We can make some educated guesses but for now, we don’t know for sure.

One thing to remember is that historically, GW doesn’t allow their store employees to take the day off on the days that big releases drop. It sounds like we’ve got some exciting things ahead in Orktober!

I came into this thread looking for some talk about this clickbait rumor from Spikey Bits and so far I see people calling for the death penalty over plastic miniatures...

Anybody heard anything similar about these models being sent back? I can see why if they are changing the bases for the Boyz and Bikes, but what about Trukks and Wagons? Bases as well? I can only imagine they might be putting them on bases if they are serious about making Speed Freakz its own game that has to have bases.

Regards to employees not allowed to take a time off, isn't 20th of October their big 500th store opening celebration?

**Kanluwen**

Eldarsif wrote:
davou wrote:
Dunno if anyone posted this yet, but its interesting.

https://spikeybits.com/2018/10/40k-orks-release-date-product-shortage-rumors.html

To pile more on more information, we’ve also been hearing that GW store employees reportedly aren’t allowed to take off October 13th and 20th. What could be happening on those days? Could Speed Freeks be dropping on the 13th and finally, the Ork codex on the 20th? We can make some educated guesses but for now, we don’t know for sure.

One thing to remember is that historically, GW doesn’t allow their store employees to take the day off on the days that big releases drop. It sounds like we’ve got some exciting things ahead in Orktober!

I came into this thread looking for some talk about this clickbait rumor from Spikey Bits and so far I see people calling for the death penalty over plastic miniatures...

Anybody heard anything similar about these models being sent back? I can see why if they are changing the bases for the Boyz and Bikes, but what about Trukks and Wagons? Bases as well? I can only imagine they might be putting them on bases if they are serious about making Speed Freakz its own game that has to have bases.

I commented on the dates earlier.

The 13th is Armies on Parade and the 20th is the 500th Store Opening Celebration thing.

A lot of the Ork range has been kinda/sorta "direct only" for awhile as far as I know. Models being sent back likely aren't for bases in the case of Trukks and Wagons but likely more for repackaging. They still were in the older style of box last I saw.

**Hive City Dweller**

So let's do a quick roundup:

All the rumors about the ork vehicles ended up being spot on. Kirioth's channel on YouTube https://youtu.be/A0Om3NgWxEI for reference.

Same source gave all the Clan Stratagems and the Dakka Dakka Dakka army wide rule. The latter we know is true as GW themselves posted it.

Same source reported that Ghaz has amazing rules and is a monster on the table, but could not confirm there's a new model for him.

Given source has been credible on all counts, and unless GW want to make the old metal model their signature warlord, I think it's safe to at least hope for a new plastic Ghazgkul Thrakka on the way. The wait is driving me crazy.

**Original Timmy**

Ive not read this thread for a while so i might have missed info, but i was half expecting Speed Freaks going up for pre-order this weekend based on the Orktober email we had the other day!

Has a date been confirmed?

**tneva82**

Original Timmy wrote:
Ive not read this thread for a while so i might have missed info, but i was half expecting Speed Freaks going up for pre-order this weekend based on the Orktober email we had the other day!

Has a date been confirmed?

Sigh. We were told last sunday what preorders would be apart from it being open secret long before it.

Tomorrow will be told what comes preorder next saturday. Speed freak for sure. Question is is codex also or is that next week.

**ceorron**

The "instagram" page includes some artwork for the new buggies/warboss.

https://www.instagram.com/warhammerofficial/?hl=en

**Original Timmy**

tneva82 wrote:
Original Timmy wrote:
Ive not read this thread for a while so i might have missed info, but i was half expecting Speed Freaks going up for pre-order this weekend based on the Orktober email we had the other day!

Has a date been confirmed?

Sigh. We were told last sunday what preorders would be apart from it being open secret long before it.

Tomorrow will be told what comes preorder next saturday. Speed freak for sure. Question is is codex also or is that next week.

Thanks

**Billagio**

ceorron wrote:
The "instagram" page includes some artwork for the new buggies/warboss.

https://www.instagram.com/warhammerofficial/?hl=en

The artwork posted an hour ago of a weirdboy (?) looks pretty cool

**davou**

GW confirmed no primeorks in the comments too.

**Herbington**

davou wrote:
GW confirmed no primeorks in the comments too.

I don't think they did...

**nflagey**

by Primaris Orks, I assume you mean some weird mashup of a Primaris Space Marine and an Ork? I can categorically tell you that is not happening.

playing on words ... does not rule out Prime Orks ...

**Slayer-Fan123**

So seriously where are these rumored Klan rules? I'd like to know what I'm gonna need to counter.

**Billagio**

nflagey wrote:
by Primaris Orks, I assume you mean some weird mashup of a Primaris Space Marine and an Ork? I can categorically tell you that is not happening.

playing on words ... does not rule out Prime Orks ...

Especially since Prime Ork is a play on words of Primarch, not Primaris. That said I think at this point the likelyhood of Prime Orks in the near future is low.

**Eldarsif**

One of my stores had most of their ork units recalled because they are minimizing inventory per army.

So more Direct Order? If so that sucks for us who don't live in UK/have a GW store in our part of the woods.

**Dakka Flakka Flame**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So seriously where are these rumored Klan rules? I'd like to know what I'm gonna need to counter.

From the ork thread in General Discussion:

Perfect Organism wrote:
Perfect Organism wrote:
Rumoured traits from 4chan:
Goffs: 6s in melee generate additionnal attack.
Bad Moons: Reroll 1s in shooting phase
Evil Sunz: +1" move, advance and charge. No -1 penalty when advancing and firing assault weapons
Death Skullz: 6+ invulnerable save army-wide. Some sort of reroll mechanic (à la Salamanders?) EDIT: clarified in the video as a re-roll to hit, wound or damage.
Snakebites: 6+ FNP
Freebooterz: +1 to hit when a Freebooterz unit destroyed a unit earlier in the turn.
Blood Axes: Gain cover in the open. Can shoot or charge after falling back.

**Jidmah**

Since GW already announced to be supporting SIX clans instead of seven, are those rumors to be trusted anymore?

**Dandelion**

The freebootaz one might be a stratagem. That or the list is bunk...

Then again, WC said Kill Team factions would have up to 6 units, but the max was 5. So maybe they're wrong.

**Vitali Advenil**

Dandelion wrote:
The freebootaz one might be a stratagem. That or the list is bunk...

Then again, WC said Kill Team factions would have up to 6 units, but the max was 5. So maybe they're wrong.

I can definitely see the Freeboota one being a stratagem instead, though this does poke some doubt in these leaked clan traits. Which is a shame if it's not true- Deffskulls seemed great, which is what my entire army is painted as.

**Dandelion**

I suspect the gist might be correct. I remember when the knight traits leaked and taranis said "ignores mortal wounds on 6" when it was actually "ignores wounds on a 6, other than mortal wounds"

**buddha**

Blood Axes seem stupidly good if that is the traits.

**Mr_Rose**

About statements specifying six clans; GW could just be using ‘clan’ pedantically to throw people off. There are, after all, only six ‘true’ Clans: freebootas are technically clanless.

**Moriarty**

Damnit! You’ve given the game away!

**leopard**

Half expect the Blood Axe one to match the Tyranid one, cover in the open unless you charge or advance, which seems a lot more reasonable than basically a +1 save against virtually everything