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New to 8th edition, I was hoping to clarify something.

In the Drukhari codex, the raider has a points value at the back, and it specifies (Does not include wargear)

The raider comes stock with a dark lance and blade vanes. Do I need to add the value of the dark lance and bladevanes to get the true points cost of a stock raider?

Sorry the question is a bit vague, I'm trying to not put down any actual numbers.

The quickest way I learned this (from a previous version) was to get an army builder app, like Battlescribe, and compare what I had done against the same list in that.

You need to add the cost of any wargear and upgrades you take, yes. This includes whatever comes as standard. Note that in many cases, standard equipment, like Splinter Rifles, will cost 0 points. Also, if you swap a standard piece of wargear for something else, you don't pay for both items, just whatever you actually take on the model.

Thanks guys, I thought so.

Also another friendly reminder.

Some codex (i.e Chaos Daemons) already have the price of the war gear within their entries.

Please refer to the individual codexes points values to see if it is equipped with wargear or not

I recommend you the use of battlescribe for your list. They have the points always actualized so you will have no error. But only for the points. For the rules the best is your codex. Combine both and you will be fine.

mchammadad wrote:
Also another friendly reminder.

Some codex (i.e Chaos Daemons) already have the price of the war gear within their entries.

Please refer to the individual codexes points values to see if it is equipped with wargear or not

Daemon Princes in Codex Chaos Daemons do not have the price of their wargear included in the model's cost.

Alex_85 wrote:
I recommend you the use of battlescribe for your list. They have the points always actualized so you will have no error. But only for the points. For the rules the best is your codex. Combine both and you will be fine.

Battlescribe is a good tool.

But it can be very, VERY wrong. Or, more commonly, moderately wrong, but pretty often.

Use your book.

 JNAProductions wrote:

Alex_85 wrote:
I recommend you the use of battlescribe for your list. They have the points always actualized so you will have no error. But only for the points. For the rules the best is your codex. Combine both and you will be fine.

Battlescribe is a good tool.

But it can be very, VERY wrong. Or, more commonly, moderately wrong, but pretty often.

Use your book.

The only thing about the codex points is that once some units or wargear changes his points you don't have the right point value anymore. Then you need to have a list from CA to have the right points. This must also be informed.

But we are speaking about Drukhari. Is the codex right or has some unit points change?

Alex_85 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

Alex_85 wrote:
I recommend you the use of battlescribe for your list. They have the points always actualized so you will have no error. But only for the points. For the rules the best is your codex. Combine both and you will be fine.

Battlescribe is a good tool.

But it can be very, VERY wrong. Or, more commonly, moderately wrong, but pretty often.

Use your book.

The only thing about the codex points is that once some units or wargear changes his points you don't have the right point value anymore. Then you need to have a list from CA to have the right points. This must also be informed.

But we are speaking about Drukhari. Is the codex right or has some unit points change?

Agreed. Putting your list together purely with books, pen and paper can be very difficult and frankly more prone to errors than Battlescribe.

The best thing to do is use both, and where they agree you can be pretty certain it's correct.

Alex_85 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

Alex_85 wrote:
I recommend you the use of battlescribe for your list. They have the points always actualized so you will have no error. But only for the points. For the rules the best is your codex. Combine both and you will be fine.

Battlescribe is a good tool.

But it can be very, VERY wrong. Or, more commonly, moderately wrong, but pretty often.

Use your book.

The only thing about the codex points is that once some units or wargear changes his points you don't have the right point value anymore. Then you need to have a list from CA to have the right points. This must also be informed.

But we are speaking about Drukhari. Is the codex right or has some unit points change?

Well let's be honest, a post-it on the points pages with the handful of updated values is hardly a burden. Especially when you consider that you'd need the BRB FAQ's on-hand anyway, there is always some work involved in keeping your personal collection of information up-to-date. Taking the 10-15 minutes to ensure your info is the latest every time there is an FAQ/Errata is peanuts compared to the hours we spend assembling/painting models and actually playing the game. Relying on Battlescribe to know your rules for you is unwise, but I cut my teeth in 3rd Ed, so maybe I'm just a cranky bugger.

 Larks wrote:

Well let's be honest, a post-it on the points pages with the handful of updated values is hardly a burden. Especially when you consider that you'd need the BRB FAQ's on-hand anyway, there is always some work involved in keeping your personal collection of information up-to-date. Taking the 10-15 minutes to ensure your info is the latest every time there is an FAQ/Errata is peanuts compared to the hours we spend assembling/painting models and actually playing the game. Relying on Battlescribe to know your rules for you is unwise, but I cut my teeth in 3rd Ed, so maybe I'm just a cranky bugger.

In theory, I couldn't agree more, however my main bigbear with the updated points values is that they're the only thing omitted from the FAQ/Errata - they're only available in Chapter Approved. So building a list in Battlescribe ensures the latest points value changes, but for sure, always have the rulebook/codex/errata on hand to clarify any rules mechanics questions.

It's something I don't really get why they had to change - and why put the points cost in an entirely different location in the back of the book?

Crispy78 wrote:
It's something I don't really get why they had to change - and why put the points cost in an entirely different location in the back of the book?

Costs are common to all models in a book. Instead of typing that everywhere, with more chance of errors, they put it in once, and can tweak it with errata better than if listed many times.