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I'm sure this topic may produce a lot of sighs, and for that I apologise.

I'm considering a small Thunder Warriors modelling project; is it unreasonable to do female Thunder Warriors? I have some spare esher bits and I think some strong femininity won't be misplaced.

They were precursors to SM, but AFAIK they didn't seem to explicitly have the same limitations that SM had from being specifically drawn from their Primarch's respective geneseed and hence needed to be male. Realistically speaking I think they would still be predominantly male, but its possible some females made it into their ranks. Either way, those females would be as roided up as their male compatriots so the distinguishing physical attributes would be subtle, if any.

They're your models, do whatever you want. Thunder Warriors were barbarians known for being even more aggressive and typically "masculine" than even Space Marines, so it doesn't really fit the way they're described. "Strong femininity" is pretty much the antithesis of what they represent, but again, if you want to do it go for it.

There is very little info on Thunder Warriors, so nothing explicitly prevents this. Go for it, sounds like a cool project.

Oh by strong femininity I didn't mean "wasp waist and huge bewbs" if that's how I came across.

More confident, empowered woman with an attitude.

Somewhere between the 'death by snu snu' ladies from futurama, a sassy girl lead from a generic 80s teen movie and barbarianna from Kung fury.


I'm glad to hear there appears to be nothing to say "no" to the idea.

Were thunder warriors made in a lab, modifications to existing humans or what?

I am very pro female SM, even though I agree that they are not currently in the fluff. I do not know if female thundr warriors are in the fluff.

That being said. SM are essentuallt post human. Male SM makes no sence, as you are refering to the sex/gender they had beforehand. So if you could make SM based on females, they would visualy have no differente visually except perhaps the hair style. We are talking 3 meter tall warrior filled with muschel, post human organgs and an many leyered power armour. A female based SM would not look much different then a male based SM.

That brings the question, how much of a change does the thunder warriors go through? Are they post human? If that is the case, then probably the starting sex/gender would not matter for the final look. Put on a sher head swap and you are probably fine.

 Niiai wrote:
I am very pro female SM, even though I agree that they are not currently in the fluff. I do not know if female thundr warriors are in the fluff.

That being said. SM are essentuallt post human. Male SM makes no sence, as you are refering to the sex/gender they had beforehand. So if you could make SM based on females, they would visualy have no differente visually except perhaps the hair style. We are talking 3 meter tall warrior filled with muschel, post human organgs and an many leyered power armour. A female based SM would not look much different then a male based SM.

That brings the question, how much of a change does the thunder warriors go through? Are they post human? If that is the case, then probably the starting sex/gender would not matter for the final look. Put on a sher head swap and you are probably fine.

I don't think Space Marines are represented "realisticly". They aren't gorilla-like muscle bound mass of combat drug, testosterone fulled killer. They seem to posses idealised viril and masculine bodies, akin to superheores. Many are described as beautiful in the eyes of noral humans. They behave in a haughty, but noble fashion with a hint of repressed violence in most case. They are very much warrior-philosophers, a classic of idealised militarism. If there were to be female superhuman warriors of the same style, they would probably have idealised women body too. Think beautiful, feminine, but strong and powerful like many pro athlete. It's not very realistic, but it's a better representation of the ideal of a warrior women. Amazons were said to be just as strong as men, perhapse even more so, but also just as beautiful if not even more so than normal women.

In my opinion, since Thunder Warriors are basically the beta version of Space Marines, they probably were all males. But, since I'm not a big fan of the idea that all superhuman warriors must be males and there is no prohibition on Thunder Warrior being women, I say go nuts. It will, in my opinion, probably make your army look better and more uique. GW has never been hostile to people carving exception for their army anyway.

Last reference to thunder warriors I saw was outcast dead, and they were heavily over muscled (more than space marines) slabs of meat, so take the goliaths and throw some Escher heads on.

Looks wise female versions (which were apparently tried in the fluff) would be just as grotesque, if you want to do it properly then big, ugly and slabs of muscle is what you need to do.

There has never been any mention of female Thunder Warriors, but neither has it been explicitly mentioned that there are none. So go ahead.
Just got to find some suitably large bodies.

Thunder Warriors were bigger and physically stronger than even Custodes. They are referred to by gender as male in the FW Horus Heresy series by Alan Bligh, but again, you can make whatever you want.

Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal and The Outcast Dead are the most extensive sources on Thunder Warriors in case you want to check out the source material or see what is said about how they were made etc.

I think this is in the realm of possibility. All the fluff we have on the Thunder Warriors were that they were a quick and dirty way for the Emperor converted anyone who was down for it and get the ball rolling. He wasn't worried about long term viability or stability. That said, I would imagine that a female thunder warrior would not exactly look very feminine.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
There has never been any mention of female Thunder Warriors, but neither has it been explicitly mentioned that there are none. So go ahead.
Just got to find some suitably large bodies.

Apparently there has but I’ve not been able to find it, allegedly malcador mentions they tried to make female ones but it went horribly wrong which is one of the reasons for making marines Male, like I said though I haven’t been able to find the reference and am skeptical.

 Formosa wrote:


Apparently there has but I’ve not been able to find it, allegedly malcador mentions they tried to make female ones but it went horribly wrong which is one of the reasons for making marines Male, like I said though I haven’t been able to find the reference and am skeptical.

I do remember him (jokingly?) talking of HH happening due to mistake of making Primarchs male against his advice.

chyron wrote:

 Formosa wrote:


Apparently there has but I’ve not been able to find it, allegedly malcador mentions they tried to make female ones but it went horribly wrong which is one of the reasons for making marines Male, like I said though I haven’t been able to find the reference and am skeptical.

I do remember him (jokingly?) talking of HH happening due to mistake of making Primarchs male against his advice.

Yeah I remember that too, if you get a chance the new HH book has a really good malcador story at the end of the book, it shows what the emperor really thought of him... well what he wanted malcador to think he thought of him anyway.

Interesting idea. Would love to see the result if and when.

 Formosa wrote:

chyron wrote:

 Formosa wrote:


Apparently there has but I’ve not been able to find it, allegedly malcador mentions they tried to make female ones but it went horribly wrong which is one of the reasons for making marines Male, like I said though I haven’t been able to find the reference and am skeptical.

I do remember him (jokingly?) talking of HH happening due to mistake of making Primarchs male against his advice.

Yeah I remember that too, if you get a chance the new HH book has a really good malcador story at the end of the book, it shows what the emperor really thought of him... well what he wanted malcador to think he thought of him anyway.

Which book is this?

Which book is this?

heralds of the siege book 52

epronovost wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
I am very pro female SM, even though I agree that they are not currently in the fluff. I do not know if female thundr warriors are in the fluff.

That being said. SM are essentuallt post human. Male SM makes no sence, as you are refering to the sex/gender they had beforehand. So if you could make SM based on females, they would visualy have no differente visually except perhaps the hair style. We are talking 3 meter tall warrior filled with muschel, post human organgs and an many leyered power armour. A female based SM would not look much different then a male based SM.

That brings the question, how much of a change does the thunder warriors go through? Are they post human? If that is the case, then probably the starting sex/gender would not matter for the final look. Put on a sher head swap and you are probably fine.

I don't think Space Marines are represented "realisticly". They aren't gorilla-like muscle bound mass of combat drug, testosterone fulled killer. They seem to posses idealised viril and masculine bodies, akin to superheores. Many are described as beautiful in the eyes of noral humans. They behave in a haughty, but noble fashion with a hint of repressed violence in most case. They are very much warrior-philosophers, a classic of idealised militarism.

That's pretty sad as I remember that in the earliest HH books, they were described as difform with an equine face, typical of he Astartes. And not just beautiful giant perfect men
Would be better if they were represented like this in the art / fluff

 Formosa wrote:

if you get a chance the new HH book has a really good malcador story at the end of the book, it shows what the emperor really thought of him...

'The Board is Set' in 'Heralds of Siege'?

chyron wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

if you get a chance the new HH book has a really good malcador story at the end of the book, it shows what the emperor really thought of him...

'The Board is Set' in 'Heralds of Siege'?

Yarp

 godardc wrote:

epronovost wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
I am very pro female SM, even though I agree that they are not currently in the fluff. I do not know if female thundr warriors are in the fluff.

That being said. SM are essentuallt post human. Male SM makes no sence, as you are refering to the sex/gender they had beforehand. So if you could make SM based on females, they would visualy have no differente visually except perhaps the hair style. We are talking 3 meter tall warrior filled with muschel, post human organgs and an many leyered power armour. A female based SM would not look much different then a male based SM.

That brings the question, how much of a change does the thunder warriors go through? Are they post human? If that is the case, then probably the starting sex/gender would not matter for the final look. Put on a sher head swap and you are probably fine.

I don't think Space Marines are represented "realisticly". They aren't gorilla-like muscle bound mass of combat drug, testosterone fulled killer. They seem to posses idealised viril and masculine bodies, akin to superheores. Many are described as beautiful in the eyes of noral humans. They behave in a haughty, but noble fashion with a hint of repressed violence in most case. They are very much warrior-philosophers, a classic of idealised militarism.

That's pretty sad as I remember that in the earliest HH books, they were described as difform with an equine face, typical of he Astartes. And not just beautiful giant perfect men
Would be better if they were represented like this in the art / fluff

TBF, that isn't my take away at all. Some of the Primarchs are certainly described in physically positive terms, as are some Marines, such as Blood Angels where it's been established for some time they're an exception. But in general descriptors like blunt, flat, scarred, square etc are all as or more common.

 godardc wrote:

epronovost wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
I am very pro female SM, even though I agree that they are not currently in the fluff. I do not know if female thundr warriors are in the fluff.

That being said. SM are essentuallt post human. Male SM makes no sence, as you are refering to the sex/gender they had beforehand. So if you could make SM based on females, they would visualy have no differente visually except perhaps the hair style. We are talking 3 meter tall warrior filled with muschel, post human organgs and an many leyered power armour. A female based SM would not look much different then a male based SM.

That brings the question, how much of a change does the thunder warriors go through? Are they post human? If that is the case, then probably the starting sex/gender would not matter for the final look. Put on a sher head swap and you are probably fine.

I don't think Space Marines are represented "realisticly". They aren't gorilla-like muscle bound mass of combat drug, testosterone fulled killer. They seem to posses idealised viril and masculine bodies, akin to superheores. Many are described as beautiful in the eyes of noral humans. They behave in a haughty, but noble fashion with a hint of repressed violence in most case. They are very much warrior-philosophers, a classic of idealised militarism.

That's pretty sad as I remember that in the earliest HH books, they were described as difform with an equine face, typical of he Astartes. And not just beautiful giant perfect men
Would be better if they were represented like this in the art / fluff

To be fair, many Space Marines in art have been represented as scary, crazy maniacs, especially in the early third edition artwork (then again, everybody, men or women looked like that in the early third edition).

Marines probably vary in appearance as much as the general population does, some are going to gorgeous, some are going to look ugly and most will be so ok they are average. On thing they all pretty much have in common is being tall, incredibly fit and many possesses a natural confidence and commanding presence over normal humans. All of the above are generally speaking attractive qualities for most people who view males as attractive.

nareik wrote:
I'm sure this topic may produce a lot of sighs, and for that I apologise.

I'm considering a small Thunder Warriors modelling project; is it unreasonable to do female Thunder Warriors? I have some spare esher bits and I think some strong femininity won't be misplaced.

The only real info on them is in Outcast dead and the last church, there is no information stating they are female.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:


The only real info on them is in Outcast dead and the last church, there is no information stating they are female.

Also Dreams of Unity (where they feels definitely gloryhounds compared to mahreens) and bit of second-hand lore in Master of Mankind. None too.

chyron wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:


The only real info on them is in Outcast dead and the last church, there is no information stating they are female.

Also Dreams of Unity (where they feels definitely gloryhounds compared to mahreens) and bit of second-hand lore in Master of Mankind. None too.

Yup.

My hunch would be Escher heads on Goliath bodies - but that's all it is, a hunch. Interested to see the results though!

Yes, seems a good starting point.

Thunder armour is powered arms and then plate legs/chest, right?

Would they need to have a thunder bra though?

I'd say go for it, might as well. There's enough wishy washyness from that time period that you can do as you please.