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I've been thinking about getting the Shadowspear boxset for a while now, and now i'm really thinking about pulling the trigger and getting it. The Space Marines in the boxset are a bit underwhelming to me, but I really like the Chaos that come in the set, so if I getting it I may just end up selling the Space Marines. Any thoughts? And one question how well do the Chaos Daemonkin stack up to other armies in matched play?[/code]

I think they're worth getting, turns out that most of the contens except the CSMs are unique to shadowspear so

If you play ether army is is worth it.

Short answer:
No.

Long answer:
Nope.

Yes definitely. Not as good a value as past boxes, but still relatively good vs waiting for individual boxes.

I kinda regret not getting the chaos half, but then I'd have to start a chaos army. . . and I'm still resisting the call of the warp. For now. Except Abaddon which I simply had to buy. . . uh oh

 Strg Alt wrote:
Short answer:
No.

Long answer:
Nope.

Classic, I love it.

As someone would only collects SM and CSMs, but does not fully play them, I agree it's not worth it. I only collect classic/iconic/mainstay units, so new stuff has to "prove itself" over a few years before I'll get it.

But if you do play either faction in earnest, then I could see the set being worthwhile for sure

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this of copurse proves that worth it is very much in the eye of the beholder. the shadowspear units are not OP game winning units. so on that prespective they're not worth it for that. but theyt're gorgous minis and are solid additions to a space marine or CSM list so.. yeah I consider them worth it.

If you are just looking at the power level and if those models are going to show up in your ITC list, then the answer is likely no. If you are curious if the stuff you are buying will add a different flavor to your game and give you some cool new stuff to play with and have fun with, then yeah, it's worth it, and doubly so if you play both factions.

The psyker disciplines alone are really cool, and some of the new wralord traits for marines are interesting.

honestly, 170.00(ish) is nothing, so I picked it up quickly, and i've enjoyed it.

170 is nothing, lol. We don't live in the same world I guess...

 godardc wrote:
170 is nothing, lol. We don't live in the same world I guess...

It's nothing in the context of 40k in general. You get a lot of plastic for your money, relative to other purchases.

The Chaos Space Marines are mono-pose which really upset me, but they are awesome models.

I had planned on making them all boltguns, with a couple of special weapons (as other things do melee better) but, for example you have to have some of them with a bolt pistol and chainsword.

 Stux wrote:

 godardc wrote:
170 is nothing, lol. We don't live in the same world I guess...

It's nothing in the context of 40k in general. You get a lot of plastic for your money, relative to other purchases.

Well it is a question of 170$ and how much your going to use out of it. Even if someone splits the box and plays marines, but out of all the models they end up using the librarian, then 85$ for a single normal character model is a lot of money even considering GW price. Chaos maybe a bit better, but I haven't seen people run a ton of those spider thingies for example.

Karol wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 godardc wrote:
170 is nothing, lol. We don't live in the same world I guess...

It's nothing in the context of 40k in general. You get a lot of plastic for your money, relative to other purchases.

Well it is a question of 170$ and how much your going to use out of it. Even if someone splits the box and plays marines, but out of all the models they end up using the librarian, then 85$ for a single normal character model is a lot of money even considering GW price. Chaos maybe a bit better, but I haven't seen people run a ton of those spider thingies for example.

Realistically I doubt any Marine player isn't going to get use out of at least one Phobos character and the Suppressors, that's in the vicinity of $85 all by itself.

But suppressors are a bad unit, why would anyone take them. The non Lt is good for fire bases, I guess, if your not running Gulliman, everything else is more or less meh.
It is start collecting tier of stuff.

Karol wrote:
But suppressors are a bad unit, why would anyone take them. The non Lt is good for fire bases, I guess, if your not running Gulliman, everything else is more or less meh.
It is start collecting tier of stuff.

Depends. Are you wanting to win tournaments, or just have some fun games with friends? Suppressors are perfectly decent for what they are.

The Infiltrators for me have been doing a surprising good job of Deep Strike denial. The models are awesome. I'm still getting a feel for the Eliminators and Suppressors. I split the box with a friend and I don't regret my purchase

If you can split it, or use both halves. It’s a good deal for casual play. I don’t think anything in there is top table level stuff. Fun, but a little overpriced for what is does in points.

If you just want half the box and the rest is dead weight, not worth it IMHO.

Thank you all for responding, learning that the Chaos Space Marines are monoposed kinda killed it for me... The price is a bit much and I think I would be happier spending that money by making a Thousand Sons army.

Karol wrote:
But suppressors are a bad unit, why would anyone take them. The non Lt is good for fire bases, I guess, if your not running Gulliman, everything else is more or less meh.
It is start collecting tier of stuff.

Because the Autocannon is one of the most on-meta weapons Imperial players have available, Marines have been deperate to get access to it, and the Suppressor Cannon is a better version?

A Suppressor is just a Hellblaster with a Jump Pack, that puts the cannon itself to roughly 16 points. That's not a terrible price for an AP 2 Autocannon.

Also; Target Priority (or whatever that WT is called) is the only general to-hit buff Marines have. Lots of rerolls, but no "hey you; be more accurate" buffs that anyone can use. Marines need more of those since they can't rely on weight of fire, but every little bit helps.

 Stux wrote:

 godardc wrote:
170 is nothing, lol. We don't live in the same world I guess...

It's nothing in the context of 40k in general. You get a lot of plastic for your money, relative to other purchases.

Indeed a LOT of plastic.
Hope you can sell the part you don’t need for more than nothing.

TheVicousGreyHunter wrote:
Thank you all for responding, learning that the Chaos Space Marines are monoposed kinda killed it for me... The price is a bit much and I think I would be happier spending that money by making a Thousand Sons army.

I would get used to monopose as that seems to be the way most new kits are going. even the new chaos space marine box is pretty much monopose, a couple of weapon or head swaps here and there but always the same basic pose unless your proficient with a knife and green stuff.

Yea I was very disappointed with the lack of customisation in the new Chaos Marine kit. All of the bodies more or less have to be the same.

I don't think a starter set has EVER had models with multipose or weapon options though? The complaint is curious.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I don't think a starter set has EVER had models with multipose or weapon options though? The complaint is curious.

It's not a starter set. Most of these boxes have been largely full multipart kits. Look at Forgebane, Tooth & Claw, and Wake the Dead. Aside from a few characters they were full kits.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I don't think a starter set has EVER had models with multipose or weapon options though? The complaint is curious.

3rd edition was full multipart. Of course, the only weapon options were ML/F IIRC, probably a BP/chainsword for the sarge. It has been a while.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I don't think a starter set has EVER had models with multipose or weapon options though? The complaint is curious.

I have come to accept that the starter sets are not multipose, but its the standard kits that come after that are unfortunately following this trend that bother me.
And although I can't argue that the new models are very nice, I'm not keen on having several models in identical poses.

At the very least the mono-pose models in the initial box and the mono-pose models in the later release have largely been different poses so far. Although there have been some oddities like the Dark Millennium Inceptor Assault Bolters being notably less cool than the ones in the eventual stand-alone box. (The surgery required to swap one for the other wasn't much fun.)

in fairness the only differance between then and now is we no longer have the hips and torso meet, realisticly it's a pretty minor differance/. with clever use of differant heads, packs and weapons you can keep the variation up fine

TheVicousGreyHunter wrote:
I've been thinking about getting the Shadowspear boxset for a while now, and now i'm really thinking about pulling the trigger and getting it. The Space Marines in the boxset are a bit underwhelming to me, but I really like the Chaos that come in the set, so if I getting it I may just end up selling the Space Marines. Any thoughts? And one question how well do the Chaos Daemonkin stack up to other armies in matched play?[/code]

My opinion is no, it is not worth paying for.

I play Black Legion, so the greater posessed, venomcrawlers, the MoP and the CSM squad are functionally useless to me. The only thing I really wanted out of the box were the obliterators.

The CSM squad is horribly configured, and I think from a modeling standpoint, you're better off buying the full kit, rather than the ones from this set. 4 chain swords, 3 bolters an auto cannon, a plasma gun and a pp/chain axe champion is a terrible setup.

From what I can tell the Venomcrawlers are terri-bad, and the MoP can't even really keep pace with deamon engines. They don't get chapter traits, and will mostly just melt to High S High AP fire, and massed horde fire.

I would either wait until Obliterators get a full kit release, or go looking on Ebay for the models you want. But, for the price, it's not worth it.

 Togusa wrote:

TheVicousGreyHunter wrote:
I've been thinking about getting the Shadowspear boxset for a while now, and now i'm really thinking about pulling the trigger and getting it. The Space Marines in the boxset are a bit underwhelming to me, but I really like the Chaos that come in the set, so if I getting it I may just end up selling the Space Marines. Any thoughts? And one question how well do the Chaos Daemonkin stack up to other armies in matched play?[/code]

My opinion is no, it is not worth paying for.

I play Black Legion, so the greater posessed, venomcrawlers, the MoP and the CSM squad are functionally useless to me. The only thing I really wanted out of the box were the obliterators.

The CSM squad is horribly configured, and I think from a modeling standpoint, you're better off buying the full kit, rather than the ones from this set. 4 chain swords, 3 bolters an auto cannon, a plasma gun and a pp/chain axe champion is a terrible setup.

From what I can tell the Venomcrawlers are terri-bad, and the MoP can't even really keep pace with deamon engines. They don't get chapter traits, and will mostly just melt to High S High AP fire, and massed horde fire.

I would either wait until Obliterators get a full kit release, or go looking on Ebay for the models you want. But, for the price, it's not worth it.

The MoP is good when you want to build a castle daemon engine list.
Problem is then you also need atleast one or 2 LoD to get enough accuracy and we are allready talking about 500+ pts basically withoutht the dakka Daemon engines, of which the codex has the defiler and the dakkafiend later is to expensive for what it can do sadly. Leaving you with FW, which could make the list workable but workable by no means means decent.