Author |
Message |
 |
|
 |
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/13 13:05:19
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Stabbin' Skarboy
|
The reason I bring this up is that:
Both mimic the chapter tactics of other armies.
What more evidence do I need?...
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/13 13:19:58
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Powerful Phoenix Lord
|
If so, that puts an interesting spin on the Grey Knights, since the Exorcists are one of the known (if only) Chapters the GKs recruit from I also believe one of the original Grand Masters of the GK was loyalist Tsons, so it wouldn't be the first instance of a former Chaos Legion becoming a GK -
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/06/13 14:00:59
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/13 14:40:13
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
|
Some evidence from the background would help, rather than a tenuous argument from game rules.
IIRC the Exorcists' rules were written by Forge World (they were written up in one of the Imperial Armour books), and in 7th edition they weren't the only Chapter whose official Chapter Tactic rule was "choose whichever one you want". In fact, that's the rule for every Chapter without their own Chapter Tactic rule, so I suppose the Hawk Lords, Bone Knives, White Consuls and the other 990-odd Chapters are also Alpha Legion?
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/13 19:52:56
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Stabbin' Skarboy
|
AndrewGPaul wrote:IIRC the Exorcists' rules were written by Forge World (they were written up in one of the Imperial Armour books), and in 7th edition they weren't the only Chapter whose official Chapter Tactic rule was "choose whichever one you want". In fact, that's the rule for every Chapter without their own Chapter Tactic rule, so I suppose the Hawk Lords, Bone Knives, White Consuls and the other 990-odd Chapters are also Alpha Legion?
This is the 6th edition chapter tactics from Forgeworld:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Forge_World_Space_Marine_Chapter_Tactics_V2.pdf
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/13 22:41:07
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Dakka Veteran
Eastern Washington
|
I imagine loyalist 1K sons would have been thought of as very valuable once the shooting had died down. A lot like German scientists in 1945. Nobody would want to claim they'd recruited Naz-i scientists, what with whole evil thing, but people did want more skilled scientists. 1K sons loyalists were the premier psychers, but Magnus did kinda sorta try to kill the Emperor. By accident.
I think Imperial historians would white washed the Horus heresy by saying all the traitors were ALL traitors. No exceptions. It's just easier for the masses to digest.
|
4,000 Word Bearers 1,500 |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/14 13:27:56
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
my personal thought would be that the Iron Snakes make a wonderful Alpha Legion loyalist successor
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/14 13:32:43
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Powerful Phoenix Lord
|
Red Marine wrote:I think Imperial historians would white washed the Horus heresy by saying all the traitors were ALL traitors. No exceptions. It's just easier for the masses to digest.
I think the wider Imperium tries to deny the existence of that many Marine Legions turning Traitor at all, lest it suggest anything was wrong with the early Imperium to allow such a thing to happen. It seems the only thing consistently known about the Heresy is the Arch traitor Horus turned a few Legions (likely down-played by quite a bit)
The existence of Chaos in general is also denied so as to not plant its seeds in the minds of the masses.
But I am always intrigued by the idea of certain Successor Marine Chapters being descendants of loyalist portions of the traitor Legions.
Silver Skulls being "officially" UM Successors, but far more likely to be Iron Warriors
Blood Ravens have unknown heritage, but their high number of Psykers and even color scheme would suggest Thousand Sons (which were Red during the Heresy Era)
I'm sure there is more.
So there is certainly precedence for the Exorcists to be descended from the Alpha legion.
However I very much doubt it considering what we do know about them. I believe they were of the 13th founding and specifically made to be bred to withstand daemonic possession.
They are intentionally possessed by a daemon for a time (as a Daemonhost) and will either drive out the daemon with their own will, or have the daemon banished by the Inquisitor overseeing the...procedure.
After this happens, they are said to be immune to corruption and have an all but invisible presence in the Warp
This also makes them great recruits for the Grey Knights
-
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/14 20:02:22
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Dakka Veteran
Eastern Washington
|
I don't think they would deny the existence of chaos. I don't think its even possible at this point. I do think they would make it a nebulous boogeyman. No specific details about warp entities names or powers, just "they're bad-look out!".
I also have an obsession with the descendants of loyalists from traitor legions. I do like GW being shy about which chapters are descended from traitors. It's been a topic of hot debate for close to 20 years now, any firm announcements about it would feel like a big spoiler at this point.
|
4,000 Word Bearers 1,500 |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/17 14:20:51
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Stabbin' Skarboy
|
So far the supicious ones I've seen, just from iconography and naming include:
The Black Wings - Night Lords?
Tigers Argent - Luna Wolves? (White-Black)
Brotherhood of a Thousand - Thousand Sons?
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/18 01:17:35
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
|
The Imperium absolutely covers up all knowledge of chaos. Inquisition and SM are the only ones in on the secret. Guard regiments who see too much are exterminated after their usefulness is over so they won't be corrupted. Leman Russ led a small rebellion over an instance of this
|
For the Emperor! Kill Maim Burn!... I mean purge the unclean! |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/18 01:28:50
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
Brotherjulian wrote:The Imperium absolutely covers up all knowledge of chaos. Inquisition and SM are the only ones in on the secret. Guard regiments who see too much are exterminated after their usefulness is over so they won't be corrupted. Leman Russ led a small rebellion over an instance of this
GW is wildly inconsistent on the above point. We have a ton of novels that show guardsmen fighting chaos marines, demons, rogue psykers and other various servants of the ruinous powers and they don't get put out to pastor after the battle. We also have examples of entire worlds getting purged due to said knowledge and somewhat nonsensical things like marines being mind wiped after fighting demons.
Over all this seems to be one of the topics that is most open to personal interpretation.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/18 01:32:48
Subject: Re:Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
|
I just assume the inconsitancy is an in character one. and it varies with some inqusitors beliving "meh whatever not worth doing anything about" some artiouclarly puritan ones beliving any mere mortals whom contact chaos should be put down just to be safe, with most falling somewhere in the middle and beliving it's only important for those dealing with the worst chaos incursions
|
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/18 01:48:38
Subject: Re:Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
|
BrianDavion wrote:I just assume the inconsitancy is an in character one. and it varies with some inqusitors beliving "meh whatever not worth doing anything about" some artiouclarly puritan ones beliving any mere mortals whom contact chaos should be put down just to be safe, with most falling somewhere in the middle and beliving it's only important for those dealing with the worst chaos incursions
Yep, sounds likely.
|
For the Emperor! Kill Maim Burn!... I mean purge the unclean! |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/18 08:50:01
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
|
My understanding is that "Chaos" and "The Horus Heresy" are terms the general populace will recognise, but only in a general sense; in much the same way as the general laiety or non-believers will understand about hell and the Devil in Christianity. Horus is basically the bogeyman, the figure used to scare people back onto the straight and narrow, and an object of hate and fear to help bind the population together.
The difference between that and Christianity is that no-one's allowed to read more, and learn that Horus was once a Primarch, or that half the Imperium followed him into rebellion, or that his followers are still there.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/18 14:41:02
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Powerful Phoenix Lord
|
AndrewGPaul wrote:My understanding is that "Chaos" and "The Horus Heresy" are terms the general populace will recognise, but only in a general sense; in much the same way as the general laiety or non-believers will understand about hell and the Devil in Christianity. Horus is basically the bogeyman, the figure used to scare people back onto the straight and narrow, and an object of hate and fear to help bind the population together.
The difference between that and Christianity is that no-one's allowed to read more, and learn that Horus was once a Primarch, or that half the Imperium followed him into rebellion, or that his followers are still there.
Exactly what I was trying to get at, but also the depths at which Chaos exists.
The general populace of the Imperium probably knows Chaos is a bad thing, but they probably don't have an understanding of what it actually is. If they did, it might cause them to fall to it.
An extreme example is when the GK exterminates a world after a Daemonic Incursion is thwarted. They take no chances that the population will inadvertently bring those Daemons back after what they've witnessed.
-
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/18 15:09:33
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
|
As an example of "secondary incursions", there's Inqusitor Thrax and the haunted desk:
in Realm of Chaos; The Lost and the Damned, Games Workshop wrote:Inquisitor Thrax xleared his throat and dictated the last section of his report.
"The mutants have been eradicated throughout the Chapter. The tainted officers have been slain. The Chapter Master chose to take his own life rather than face his deserved fate. The creatures he summoned have been banished, or have returned to the Warp. From past experience, we know that the link, once broken, must needs be established from our side of the warpgates".
"That will not happen again in this place. my administration of justice has made sure of that. The unfortunate lapses of the last month have been cleansed. Full casualty reports are attached."
"I can now confidently claim that under their new - and morally pure - corps of officers, the reformed Grey Slayers Chapter of the Legiones Astartes will prove as loyal in the future as they did in the past."
"Hail the Emperor!"
"Thrax, Inquisitor Ordinary, This day of etc etc... Make a good copy and then return so that I may seal the dispatch."
"Yes, Lord Inquisitor."
Thrax sat down at the former Chapter Master's desk. He had a mind to keep it for his own. The workmanship had a certain naive charm. The inlay work was particularly fine for a backward world, such intricate patterns, such a pleasing arrangement of woods and techplastics. One could almost believe that it all meant something. His finger idly traced across the surface, following the line of a swirl and loop...
In Warpspace something stirred. Its name had almost been used. Soon the Word would be used, and the Way opened. The summoning was happening. It could feel the drawing together of power and intent...
Thrax was thinking hard, and now his finger barely moved. The Chapter Master had been weak, a fool. But the power he had tapped! Properly used, in the service of the Emperor, could it not make him the best, the greatest, of all the Inquisitors? His finger moved across the desktop again, following the inlay...
Soon... Soon...
Thrax reached the end of the techplastic line. He half-turned towards something in the corner of his eye. And then he knew...
NOW!
There was a knock on the door. The scribe had returned. "Inquisitor Thrax, I have the copy of your report, Lord." His voice filled with doubt. "Inquisitor... Thrax? My Lord?"
In a rush of mandibles and heaving flesh, Inquisitor Thrax feasted.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/06/18 15:10:48
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/18 15:16:23
Subject: Re:Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Fireknife Shas'el
|
Death Eagles are rumored to be loyalist Children of the Emperor (34th Millenial). Their original paint scheme certainly fits (Magenta, white and gold)
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/19 10:38:16
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
|
I wonder if Guilliman saw the iconography of the Hawk Lords (purple with a gold eagle as a badge) and asked if someone was taking the piss.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/19 11:54:34
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Moustache-twirling Princeps
|
Galef wrote: AndrewGPaul wrote:My understanding is that "Chaos" and "The Horus Heresy" are terms the general populace will recognise, but only in a general sense; in much the same way as the general laiety or non-believers will understand about hell and the Devil in Christianity. Horus is basically the bogeyman, the figure used to scare people back onto the straight and narrow, and an object of hate and fear to help bind the population together.
The difference between that and Christianity is that no-one's allowed to read more, and learn that Horus was once a Primarch, or that half the Imperium followed him into rebellion, or that his followers are still there.
Exactly what I was trying to get at, but also the depths at which Chaos exists.
The general populace of the Imperium probably knows Chaos is a bad thing, but they probably don't have an understanding of what it actually is. If they did, it might cause them to fall to it.
An extreme example is when the GK exterminates a world after a Daemonic Incursion is thwarted. They take no chances that the population will inadvertently bring those Daemons back after what they've witnessed.
There's a bit in one of the Ciaphas Cain novels where he has to brief the command staff of an allied regiment (Tallarn?) about the exact nature of the Chaos forces they're about to face, and the allied commander starts screaming about heresy and blasphemy and storms off - so they know Chaos exists but not the specifics.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/22 20:02:23
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
beast_gts wrote: Galef wrote: AndrewGPaul wrote:My understanding is that "Chaos" and "The Horus Heresy" are terms the general populace will recognise, but only in a general sense; in much the same way as the general laiety or non-believers will understand about hell and the Devil in Christianity. Horus is basically the bogeyman, the figure used to scare people back onto the straight and narrow, and an object of hate and fear to help bind the population together.
The difference between that and Christianity is that no-one's allowed to read more, and learn that Horus was once a Primarch, or that half the Imperium followed him into rebellion, or that his followers are still there.
Exactly what I was trying to get at, but also the depths at which Chaos exists.
The general populace of the Imperium probably knows Chaos is a bad thing, but they probably don't have an understanding of what it actually is. If they did, it might cause them to fall to it.
An extreme example is when the GK exterminates a world after a Daemonic Incursion is thwarted. They take no chances that the population will inadvertently bring those Daemons back after what they've witnessed.
There's a bit in one of the Ciaphas Cain novels where he has to brief the command staff of an allied regiment (Tallarn?) about the exact nature of the Chaos forces they're about to face, and the allied commander starts screaming about heresy and blasphemy and storms off - so they know Chaos exists but not the specifics.
I think that's from The Traitor's Hand, the third novel.
I love the footnotes in the final chapters about the religious sect on Tallarn that arises in the aftermath...
|
2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling. - No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/23 07:49:21
Subject: Re:Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Regular Dakkanaut
|
John Prins wrote:Death Eagles are rumored to be loyalist Children of the Emperor (34th Millenial). Their original paint scheme certainly fits (Magenta, white and gold)
I always thought that was stupid (the heraldry thing), from a lore perspective :
Either the chapter knows its ancestry and then it is very stupid to adopt a very similar heraldry to that first founding Legion WHO HAPPENED TO TURN TRAITOR. Not to mention it might attract the unwanted attention of the Inquisition.
Either they don't know about it and then what are the odds of them having the same heraldry ? It becomes a very unsubtle "easter egg" from the writers which makes no real sense : "alright guys, we have to hint that a loyal chapter descends from the Emperor's children, let's make them the same colours lol".
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/23 16:59:43
Subject: Re:Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
|
Engrenages wrote: John Prins wrote:Death Eagles are rumored to be loyalist Children of the Emperor (34th Millenial). Their original paint scheme certainly fits (Magenta, white and gold)
I always thought that was stupid (the heraldry thing), from a lore perspective :
Either the chapter knows its ancestry and then it is very stupid to adopt a very similar heraldry to that first founding Legion WHO HAPPENED TO TURN TRAITOR. Not to mention it might attract the unwanted attention of the Inquisition.
Either they don't know about it and then what are the odds of them having the same heraldry ? It becomes a very unsubtle "easter egg" from the writers which makes no real sense : "alright guys, we have to hint that a loyal chapter descends from the Emperor's children, let's make them the same colours lol".
You have it backwards. We know for certain there was an Emperor's Children 34th Millennial that was nicknamed the "Death Eagles" and had the purple and white checkered pattered and they remained loyalists. Where there is uncertainty is if they have any relation to the 2nd founding chapter called the Death Eagles, who have a solid black with white accents color scheme.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/23 17:32:45
Subject: Re:Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
|
jareddm wrote:Engrenages wrote: John Prins wrote:Death Eagles are rumored to be loyalist Children of the Emperor (34th Millenial). Their original paint scheme certainly fits (Magenta, white and gold)
I always thought that was stupid (the heraldry thing), from a lore perspective :
Either the chapter knows its ancestry and then it is very stupid to adopt a very similar heraldry to that first founding Legion WHO HAPPENED TO TURN TRAITOR. Not to mention it might attract the unwanted attention of the Inquisition.
Either they don't know about it and then what are the odds of them having the same heraldry ? It becomes a very unsubtle "easter egg" from the writers which makes no real sense : "alright guys, we have to hint that a loyal chapter descends from the Emperor's children, let's make them the same colours lol".
You have it backwards. We know for certain there was an Emperor's Children 34th Millennial that was nicknamed the "Death Eagles" and had the purple and white checkered pattered and they remained loyalists. Where there is uncertainty is if they have any relation to the 2nd founding chapter called the Death Eagles, who have a solid black with white accents color scheme.
it's possiable the chapterr is simply named in HONOR of said unit
|
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/23 19:04:17
Subject: Re:Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Fireknife Shas'el
|
Engrenages wrote: John Prins wrote:Death Eagles are rumored to be loyalist Children of the Emperor (34th Millenial). Their original paint scheme certainly fits (Magenta, white and gold)
I always thought that was stupid (the heraldry thing), from a lore perspective :
Either the chapter knows its ancestry and then it is very stupid to adopt a very similar heraldry to that first founding Legion WHO HAPPENED TO TURN TRAITOR. Not to mention it might attract the unwanted attention of the Inquisition.
Either they don't know about it and then what are the odds of them having the same heraldry ? It becomes a very unsubtle "easter egg" from the writers which makes no real sense : "alright guys, we have to hint that a loyal chapter descends from the Emperor's children, let's make them the same colours lol".
Emperor's children colors (pre-heresy) were darker purple and gold, not magenta, white and gold. Also, the Hawk Lords and Imperial Stars have closer colors to pre-Heresy EC (purple and gold) than the original Death Eagles scheme. The name is a far bigger indicator (Death Eagles was the nickname of the Millennial) than the heraldry.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/24 06:16:08
Subject: Re:Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
|
I thought that the Sons of the Phoenix were the premier EC loyalist successor chapter.
As to the matter of the of Exorcists, I would absolutely love to see a canon Exorcists vs. Invocators storyline, as the Invocators are basically the photo negative version of the Exorcists.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/24 07:55:38
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
|
AndrewGPaul wrote:Some evidence from the background would help, rather than a tenuous argument from game rules.
IIRC the Exorcists' rules were written by Forge World (they were written up in one of the Imperial Armour books), and in 7th edition they weren't the only Chapter whose official Chapter Tactic rule was "choose whichever one you want". In fact, that's the rule for every Chapter without their own Chapter Tactic rule, so I suppose the Hawk Lords, Bone Knives, White Consuls and the other 990-odd Chapters are also Alpha Legion?
Its possible, those Alpha Legion are a sneaky bunch. Plus the rumors of them trying to play both sides. Plus no shortage of loyalist marines from Traitor legions - so the sneaky loyalist Alpha Legion could have created their own chapter of loyalist marines to hide from both the Inquisition and their own Legion.
|
My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/25 09:11:16
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
|
Its best not to look to into GW lore past a general overview. The last time I tried it I wanted to find out how many Thousand Son Rubrics were in existence. And I found out that there are tens of thousands and the kicker.....there are a equal number of Scarab Occult Terminators. This is straight from the codex under the force org section. Cant get more Canon than a codex.
My point being. When dealing with 40k you just kinda except that headcanon is required. The company even says so. But the official line is Codex > BL. Which is a damn good thing if you have read some of the "better" novels.
That being said. I always found it quite immersion breaking when the exeterminatus on ALL invaded planets is brought up. Yes yes, the empire is huge and countless so one planet wont matter. But the problem is there is ALOT of chaos marines and even way more demons. Why even defend the worlds at all?
Exterminatus should be rare and the last choice as it is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/25 11:58:29
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
|
Table wrote:Its best not to look to into GW lore past a general overview. The last time I tried it I wanted to find out how many Thousand Son Rubrics were in existence. And I found out that there are tens of thousands and the kicker.....there are a equal number of Scarab Occult Terminators. This is straight from the codex under the force org section. Cant get more Canon than a codex.
My point being. When dealing with 40k you just kinda except that headcanon is required. The company even says so. But the official line is Codex > BL. Which is a damn good thing if you have read some of the "better" novels.
That being said. I always found it quite immersion breaking when the exeterminatus on ALL invaded planets is brought up. Yes yes, the empire is huge and countless so one planet wont matter. But the problem is there is ALOT of chaos marines and even way more demons. Why even defend the worlds at all?
Exterminatus should be rare and the last choice as it is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Really want to bake your noodle? Its been 10,000 years. If only so many as 20 Rubric Marines die per year... that's 200,000 TSons just in Rubric Marines. At the start of the Heresy, they were 85,000 strong.
|
My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/25 14:10:10
Subject: Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
|
Breton wrote:Table wrote:Its best not to look to into GW lore past a general overview. The last time I tried it I wanted to find out how many Thousand Son Rubrics were in existence. And I found out that there are tens of thousands and the kicker.....there are a equal number of Scarab Occult Terminators. This is straight from the codex under the force org section. Cant get more Canon than a codex.
My point being. When dealing with 40k you just kinda except that headcanon is required. The company even says so. But the official line is Codex > BL. Which is a damn good thing if you have read some of the "better" novels.
That being said. I always found it quite immersion breaking when the exeterminatus on ALL invaded planets is brought up. Yes yes, the empire is huge and countless so one planet wont matter. But the problem is there is ALOT of chaos marines and even way more demons. Why even defend the worlds at all?
Exterminatus should be rare and the last choice as it is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Really want to bake your noodle? Its been 10,000 years. If only so many as 20 Rubric Marines die per year... that's 200,000 TSons just in Rubric Marines. At the start of the Heresy, they were 85,000 strong.
Rubric marines can be remade if the armor is recovered and the binding runes are repaired.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/25 15:37:35
Subject: Re:Are Exorcists in fact loyalist Alpha Legion?
|
 |
Nasty Nob
|
I'm always a bit bemused by the enduring fascination people have with loyalists from the traitor legions...
In any case I don't think it is likely. Given the initiation ritual for the Exorcists, you would want to use the most stable geneseed available i.e Ultramarine.
Using geneseed from a legion which has proven unable to resist the lure of Chaos doesn't seem sensible to me.
Maybe the Exorcists were created by the Old Ones?
|
|
 |
 |
|