Codex Cycle - Who might be next ?

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**Tycho**

Pretty sure the whiteboard thing was an obvious troll... I would be very very surprised if marines get a new book before necrons or ad mech. Simply by the virtue that crons are basicaly getting all their unit re-done and ad mech has had a multitude of units added.

However. GW marine fetish is a very strong veriable so it would not surprise me.

Smart money's on marines honestly. Especially coming out of the pandemic struggles and considering all the money GW needs to make up. Marines tend to end up being an excuse to print money, and anything Primaris ends up being doubly so. I would fully expect to see one or more marine updates first, then Necrons (since they're supposedly in the 9th starter). After that, they'll probably follow the standard pattern so it would look something like:

1.Marines
2. Crons
3. one or more snowflake chapters
4CSM
5. Tau and/or Eldar
6. Additional marine books
7. Orks
8. Mechanicus
9. 9th ed Marines 2.0
10. Nids
11. a smattering of really basic updates for the red headed step children that are Sisters, Inquisition, Tsons and DG

**Argive**

Asmodai wrote:
Argive wrote:
Asmodai wrote:
Argive wrote:
Slight necro-threading... maybe its apt choice of words as nobody picked the Necrons as next in line

Its pretty safe to assume necrons will be next witht heir huge releases incoming.

But Maybe ad mech will still beat them to it.

So we recon 1st codex of new edition Ad mech or necrons?

Marines will be first up - they talked about some of the rules from the new Marine Codex in Saturday's preview show.

Necrons will probably be second.

I suspect Craftworlds and Drukari will both be in 2020 as well. They have old books and old PA books and with the new flyer rules, their special fliers will need a bunch of errata to stay different.

Pretty sure the whiteboard thing was an obvious troll... I would be very very surprised if marines get a new book before Necrons or ad mech. Simply by the virtue that crons are basicaly getting all their unit re-done and ad mech has had a multitude of units added.

However. GW marine fetish is a very strong variable so it would not surprise me.

I wasn't referring to the whiteboard, but rather the Crusade rules from the book - e.g. Space Marine characters being interred in Dreadnoughts after being wounded a lot.

Thats a narrative aspect which will be roleld out with the core rule book. I don't see why it wararnts a new codex just for that because marines can have dreadnaughts.

**Ice_can**

Argive wrote:
Asmodai wrote:
Argive wrote:
Asmodai wrote:
Argive wrote:
Slight necro-threading... maybe its apt choice of words as nobody picked the Necrons as next in line

Its pretty safe to assume necrons will be next witht heir huge releases incoming.

But Maybe ad mech will still beat them to it.

So we recon 1st codex of new edition Ad mech or necrons?

Marines will be first up - they talked about some of the rules from the new Marine Codex in Saturday's preview show.

Necrons will probably be second.

I suspect Craftworlds and Drukari will both be in 2020 as well. They have old books and old PA books and with the new flyer rules, their special fliers will need a bunch of errata to stay different.

Pretty sure the whiteboard thing was an obvious troll... I would be very very surprised if marines get a new book before Necrons or ad mech. Simply by the virtue that crons are basicaly getting all their unit re-done and ad mech has had a multitude of units added.

However. GW marine fetish is a very strong variable so it would not surprise me.

I wasn't referring to the whiteboard, but rather the Crusade rules from the book - e.g. Space Marine characters being interred in Dreadnoughts after being wounded a lot.

Thats a narrative aspect which will be roleld out with the core rule book. I don't see why it wararnts a new codex just for that because marines can have dreadnaughts.

Because it's GW looking for money and playing marines especially primaris is basically agreeing to be pickpocketed by GW at this point.
Also they specifically state that upgrade is specifically for codex spacemarines and hence is in the codex, the core common items will be in the BRB 9th edition.

**Argive**

Ice_can wrote:
Argive wrote:
Asmodai wrote:
Argive wrote:
Asmodai wrote:
Argive wrote:
Slight necro-threading... maybe its apt choice of words as nobody picked the Necrons as next in line

Its pretty safe to assume necrons will be next witht heir huge releases incoming.

But Maybe ad mech will still beat them to it.

So we recon 1st codex of new edition Ad mech or necrons?

Marines will be first up - they talked about some of the rules from the new Marine Codex in Saturday's preview show.

Necrons will probably be second.

I suspect Craftworlds and Drukari will both be in 2020 as well. They have old books and old PA books and with the new flyer rules, their special fliers will need a bunch of errata to stay different.

Pretty sure the whiteboard thing was an obvious troll... I would be very very surprised if marines get a new book before Necrons or ad mech. Simply by the virtue that crons are basicaly getting all their unit re-done and ad mech has had a multitude of units added.

However. GW marine fetish is a very strong variable so it would not surprise me.

I wasn't referring to the whiteboard, but rather the Crusade rules from the book - e.g. Space Marine characters being interred in Dreadnoughts after being wounded a lot.

Thats a narrative aspect which will be roleld out with the core rule book. I don't see why it wararnts a new codex just for that because marines can have dreadnaughts.

Because it's GW looking for money and playing marines especially primaris is basically agreeing to be pickpocketed by GW at this point.
Also they specifically state that upgrade is specifically for codex spacemarines and hence is in the codex, the core common items will be in the BRB 9th edition.

I dont understand...

**alextroy**

I expect there will not be a Marine codex for some time. When asked not he Q&A Stream how the rules will come out of those models, they talked about them being included in the box. The talk about Crusade mechanics were noted as "when a new codex comes out". No need to produce a new codex for a Codex that isn't even a year old.

Given the major expansion to the range with the 9th Edition launch, Codex Necrons is almost certainly next on the hit list.

They also spoke about Deathwatch getting something soon on the Q&A Stream, so they might be up soon also along with Harlequins given their White Dwarf PA update.

I wouldn't be surprised if Craftworld or Drukari were up after that, but that mostly depends on if they have more models in the work for the factions.

**tneva82**

Argive wrote:
So with PA officially being called "codex updates" by warcom (take from that what you will...) These books are essentialy a stop-gap to bring us somewhat in line with marines 2.0 for the rest of the factions.

So far we had sisters being released as well in the new "doctrine" paradigm.

So in what orders have codexes been released this edition? Does anyone remember? This was beyond my time in this edition.
Of course it's not cast iron and certainly speculation but perhaps it might be an indicator of which books are getting released next.

What history tells us it won't be same order as last time. 8th order wasn't same as 7th which wasn't same as 6th which wasn't same as 6th etc.

Marines and necrons likely to be among first 4 though

**ClockworkZion**

Argive wrote:
So with PA officially being called "codex updates" by warcom (take from that what you will...) These books are essentialy a stop-gap to bring us somewhat in line with marines 2.0 for the rest of the factions.

So far we had sisters being released as well in the new "doctrine" paradigm.

So in what orders have codexes been released this edition? Does anyone remember? This was beyond my time in this edition.
Of course it's not cast iron and certainly speculation but perhaps it might be an indicator of which books are getting released next.

In 8th? No one. In 9th? Probably Deathwatch since they were named dropped as being towards the front of the release cycle of 9th in the Q&A stream.

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tneva82 wrote:
Argive wrote:
So with PA officially being called "codex updates" by warcom (take from that what you will...) These books are essentialy a stop-gap to bring us somewhat in line with marines 2.0 for the rest of the factions.

So far we had sisters being released as well in the new "doctrine" paradigm.

So in what orders have codexes been released this edition? Does anyone remember? This was beyond my time in this edition.
Of course it's not cast iron and certainly speculation but perhaps it might be an indicator of which books are getting released next.

What history tells us it won't be same order as last time. 8th order wasn't same as 7th which wasn't same as 6th which wasn't same as 6th etc.

Marines and necrons likely to be among first 4 though

Necrons, sure. But not Marines. Not until 2021 at least. They'll have the new stuff in a booklet in the starter, and they can put off releasing a codex update with multi-part kit until 2021.

**tneva82**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Necrons, sure. But not Marines. Not until 2021 at least. They'll have the new stuff in a booklet in the starter, and they can put off releasing a codex update with multi-part kit until 2021.

They COULD. But will they is another thing. Or will they push the "print me some money" button...Marines are their biggest seller. They want crusade rules for them ASAP. That will sell them good chunk of money.

You seem to work on assumption GW does something for sake of player rather than sake of money

BTW deathwatch is another safe bet for early codex since they are specifically mentioned as getting new stuff soon in 9th ed.

**ClockworkZion**

tneva82 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Necrons, sure. But not Marines. Not until 2021 at least. They'll have the new stuff in a booklet in the starter, and they can put off releasing a codex update with multi-part kit until 2021.

They COULD. But will they is another thing. Or will they push the "print me some money" button...Marines are their biggest seller. They want crusade rules for them ASAP. That will sell them good chunk of money.

You seem to work on assumption GW does something for sake of player rather than sake of money

BTW deathwatch is another safe bet for early codex since they are specifically mentioned as getting new stuff soon in 9th ed.

I work on the assumption that the current GW tries to not cheese the player base off too frequently and at least waiting over a year for the next codex would soften the blow a bit.

**tneva82**

They make more money releasing it sooner rather than later.

It's time for money.

You can see how they don't particularly worry about pissing off customers by putting price hikes now out of all times. Why would they? They sell anyway. Those who don't are compensated by those who will.

**Eldarsif**

I am betting on Deathwatch and Harlequins. Two codexes who need to be revisited and didn't get a PA book.

**mrFickle**

Didn’t GW mention an online subscription and an army builder app? Surely the app, if it’s in line with BattleScribe for example, will contain all the updates and thus possibly make books with point updates etc redundant except for the collector.

They said something about it making travelling to battles and comps much easier.

I’d much rather pay a monthly subscription fee and have the latest army rules for all armies than have to spend 100s on books to keep up to date with the rules.

If that’s the plan we might not see the traditional 1 codex every x months we could see units added to codexes along with model releases and rules updates to all codexes at the same time when they decided to do something like PA

**harlokin**

Eldarsif wrote:
I am betting on Deathwatch and Harlequins. Two codexes who need to be revisited and didn't get a PA book.

Really? Harlequins got 10x more from their WD article than Drukhari did from their PA 'book'. I'm not saying that the clowns didn't need something, but what they got in comparison makes me green with envy.

**Asmodai**

Argive wrote:
Asmodai wrote:
Argive wrote:
Asmodai wrote:
Argive wrote:
Slight necro-threading... maybe its apt choice of words as nobody picked the Necrons as next in line

Its pretty safe to assume necrons will be next witht heir huge releases incoming.

But Maybe ad mech will still beat them to it.

So we recon 1st codex of new edition Ad mech or necrons?

Marines will be first up - they talked about some of the rules from the new Marine Codex in Saturday's preview show.

Necrons will probably be second.

I suspect Craftworlds and Drukari will both be in 2020 as well. They have old books and old PA books and with the new flyer rules, their special fliers will need a bunch of errata to stay different.

Pretty sure the whiteboard thing was an obvious troll... I would be very very surprised if marines get a new book before Necrons or ad mech. Simply by the virtue that crons are basicaly getting all their unit re-done and ad mech has had a multitude of units added.

However. GW marine fetish is a very strong variable so it would not surprise me.

I wasn't referring to the whiteboard, but rather the Crusade rules from the book - e.g. Space Marine characters being interred in Dreadnoughts after being wounded a lot.

Thats a narrative aspect which will be roleld out with the core rule book. I don't see why it wararnts a new codex just for that because marines can have dreadnaughts.

It's not in the Core Book, it's in Codex Space Marines - at least based on how things were presented in the Q&A:

- The core book has generic Crusade rules that apply to all armies.
- As they get to each army, they'll add specific Crusade rules in that army's Codex.
- An example of adding specific Crusade rules in a Codex is that Space Marine characters can be turned into Dreadnoughts when they're repeatedly injured.

**alextroy**

tneva82 wrote:
They make more money releasing it sooner rather than later.

It's time for money.

You can see how they don't particularly worry about pissing off customers by putting price hikes now out of all times. Why would they? They sell anyway. Those who don't are compensated by those who will.

Name a time GW put out three versions of a Codex in 4 years (except for Stormcast Eternals for the new game AOS). They may like money, but they aren't that bad.

As for price hikes, GW did just spend weeks without much revenue. Why the heck would they put off a planned price increase? They need cash to keep the operation running.

**Eldarsif**

harlokin wrote:
Eldarsif wrote:
I am betting on Deathwatch and Harlequins. Two codexes who need to be revisited and didn't get a PA book.

Really? Harlequins got 10x more from their WD article than Drukhari did from their PA 'book'. I'm not saying that the clowns didn't need something, but what they got in comparison makes me green with envy.

I am more guessing from the fact that WD indexes tend to be stop gap measures. Basically if you don't get the WD many people are out of luck with getting those rules unless they do it illegally.

**Voss**

Tycho wrote:
Pretty sure the whiteboard thing was an obvious troll... I would be very very surprised if marines get a new book before necrons or ad mech. Simply by the virtue that crons are basicaly getting all their unit re-done and ad mech has had a multitude of units added.

However. GW marine fetish is a very strong veriable so it would not surprise me.

Smart money's on marines honestly. Especially coming out of the pandemic struggles and considering all the money GW needs to make up. Marines tend to end up being an excuse to print money, and anything Primaris ends up being doubly so. I would fully expect to see one or more marine updates first, then Necrons (since they're supposedly in the 9th starter). After that, they'll probably follow the standard pattern so it would look something like:

1.Marines
2. Crons

Necrons first. There are 10-15 kits floating around in various pictures. While some of those are in the starter (2 characters, new scarabs, and I believe the tripod unit), I can't see that many happening without a codex.

Marines probably second, since they were referencing the codex's crusade rules on stream.

After that, whoever. Whatever ordering system they use, I don't think its has an inherent logic inherent to people outside the studio.
Once upon a time, it was driven by the person with ideas for the army and a willingness to write the codex (which meant some armies languished for years), but I don't know if the current studio works that way.

**ClockworkZion**

Voss wrote:
Tycho wrote:
Pretty sure the whiteboard thing was an obvious troll... I would be very very surprised if marines get a new book before necrons or ad mech. Simply by the virtue that crons are basicaly getting all their unit re-done and ad mech has had a multitude of units added.

However. GW marine fetish is a very strong veriable so it would not surprise me.

Smart money's on marines honestly. Especially coming out of the pandemic struggles and considering all the money GW needs to make up. Marines tend to end up being an excuse to print money, and anything Primaris ends up being doubly so. I would fully expect to see one or more marine updates first, then Necrons (since they're supposedly in the 9th starter). After that, they'll probably follow the standard pattern so it would look something like:

1.Marines
2. Crons

Necrons first. There are 10-15 kits floating around in various pictures. While some of those are in the starter (2 characters, new scarabs, and I believe the tripod unit), I can't see that many happening without a codex.
Marines probably second, since they were referencing the codex's crusade rules on stream.

After that, whoever. Whatever ordering system they use, I don't think its has an inherent logic inherent to people outside the studio.

Necrons and Deathwatch (who are Marines, but aren't C:SM, at least not -yet-) are shoe ins. C:SM is still a long shot for 2020 since their new stuff looks like it's all in the started and they can cover that gap with a booklet until they get around to the multipart kits sometime next year-ish.

**catbarf**

mrFickle wrote:
Didn’t GW mention an online subscription and an army builder app? Surely the app, if it’s in line with BattleScribe for example, will contain all the updates and thus possibly make books with point updates etc redundant except for the collector.

They said something about it making travelling to battles and comps much easier.

I’d much rather pay a monthly subscription fee and have the latest army rules for all armies than have to spend 100s on books to keep up to date with the rules.

If that’s the plan we might not see the traditional 1 codex every x months we could see units added to codexes along with model releases and rules updates to all codexes at the same time when they decided to do something like PA

I might have misread, but the impression I got was that you would need to buy a codex to unlock it in the army builder app.

What this means for points updates and expansion content is anyone's guess.

**mrFickle**

catbarf wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
Didn’t GW mention an online subscription and an army builder app? Surely the app, if it’s in line with BattleScribe for example, will contain all the updates and thus possibly make books with point updates etc redundant except for the collector.

They said something about it making travelling to battles and comps much easier.

I’d much rather pay a monthly subscription fee and have the latest army rules for all armies than have to spend 100s on books to keep up to date with the rules.

If that’s the plan we might not see the traditional 1 codex every x months we could see units added to codexes along with model releases and rules updates to all codexes at the same time when they decided to do something like PA

I might have misread, but the impression I got was that you would need to buy a codex to unlock it in the army builder app.

What this means for points updates and expansion content is anyone's guess.

I bought the iPad version of the codexes and they were updated as points were changed but no new units or rules which is disappointing. If GW are just expanding that it’s very disappointing because all they are saying is “we don’t plan to get it it right first time, we just expect you to buy more books”.

GW games are perfect for a subscription model.

**Voss**

GW is terrible for the sub model. Why in the world would I pay on an ongoing basis for access to a couple of books over the lifecycle of an entire edition? That's just nuts.

I'd rather just buy the books I want, regardless if its 1 or 20.

**Tycho**

Necrons first. There are 10-15 kits floating around in various pictures. While some of those are in the starter (2 characters, new scarabs, and I believe the tripod unit), I can't see that many happening without a codex.

Marines probably second, since they were referencing the codex's crusade rules on stream.

That's certainly possible, but I think it would be a first wouldn't it? Have they ever lead off an edition by releasing a non-Marine codex as the first codex? At least not in the last few. I mean sure, sometimes it's a snowflake chapter (like DA in 6th), but it's almost always marines. Couple that with the fact that there are also new marine models, marines sell like hotcakes, AND the "Crusade" rules that they're going to want to get out there, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see the marines released first, or possibly a simultaneous release of both the Cron book AND the Marine book ...

Point is, when they've had the option of releasing a marine book OR a xenos book, I don't think they've ever not released the marine book first.

**Sunny Side Up**

Marines and Necrons are almost certainly going to be the first 9th Ed. Codexes.

**dadamowsky**

I'm betting Necrons and Admech, as two armies that we know to get a HUGE influx of out of codex stuff (and both being pretty dated in the core book). After that? Chaos minors maybe, DG and Demons beg to be relevant anyhow. IG, but they barely got a model in... how many years (not counting the BSF psyker)?

However, depending on when the new Primaris stuff comes out, SMs might get yet another book and actually cut everyone in the line to set up the SM vs Necrons narrative 9ed is going to tell.

**PenitentJake**

One thing that will be a factor is whether or not GW continue to embrace the idea of expanding many ranges by a few models at a time through campaign books.

If so, we'll get 4 dexes at most within the first year of the edition.

But GW might also use Codices to drive model releases INSTEAD of campaign books. If that's the case, we could get 6-8 dexes in the first year.

Besides Crons, I really expect Guard, Eldar and Nids. The Eldar are a wild card though, because both CWE and DE are BIG dexes, and both of them need love. To do both back to back might feel like Eldar overload.

Lots of unknowns.

**Argive**

the streams mentioned deathwatch to be "getting big update" so I think they believe we will see deathwatch codex followed by admech codex and then necron codex once all of the things are released followed by marines codex.

In reality?
Who effin knows...

**Table**

Sadly, were not going to see much for chaos in this year and perhaps until near next edition. For better or worse 8th's focus was on Imperium vs Chaos. Now its Imperium vs Necrons (xenos).

I just wish they would have polished a bit more before sharing the punching bag love with xenos.

**Voss**

Tycho wrote:
Necrons first. There are 10-15 kits floating around in various pictures. While some of those are in the starter (2 characters, new scarabs, and I believe the tripod unit), I can't see that many happening without a codex.

Marines probably second, since they were referencing the codex's crusade rules on stream.

That's certainly possible, but I think it would be a first wouldn't it?

No.
7th: May 2014, 1st Codex: Ork, June 2014
6th: June 2012, 1st Codex: Chaos Space Marines, October 2012

And simultaneous doesn't seem likely or even possible. It'd be too much to get out the door.

What I hope they do with marines is just tweak the main codex and add in the yet-more-new-stuff. Keep the supplements (well, new printings should incorporate the errata), and do Bluds, Woofs, Emos and Deadwatch as supplements with all their 'unique' doodads. Anything to stop reprinting 90% the same material over and over again. Then, in the next SM overhaul, we don't have the catastrophe that was the endless PA supplements of reprinting the same datasheets and traits eating up the same page count book after book. They can just do the core codex update, a few unique pages for each snowflake and the whole thing is done.

**Tycho**

No.
7th: May 2014, 1st Codex: Ork, June 2014
6th: June 2012, 1st Codex: Chaos Space Marines, October 2012

And simultaneous doesn't seem likely or even possible. It'd be too much to get out the door.

What I hope they do with marines is just tweak the main codex and add in the yet-more-new-stuff. Keep the supplements (well, new printings should incorporate the errata), and do Bluds, Woofs, Emos and Deadwatch as supplements with all their 'unique' doodads. Anything to stop reprinting 90% the same material over and over again. Then, in the next SM overhaul, we don't have the catastrophe that was the endless PA supplements of reprinting the same datasheets and traits eating up the same page count book after book. They can just do the core codex update, a few unique pages for each snowflake and the whole thing is done.
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Oh that's right. I was thinking DA were first in 6th, but they did actually come after CSM. Totally forgot about that. Also, I'd be all for all the suggestions you make in your second paragraph. IMO, PA has been more of an irritation than anything. They don't really function well as campaign books or codex updates. Hopefully GW just calls that a failed experiment and moves on from that approach.

**Vaktathi**

I'm hoping IG get an update soon, currently they have one of the older books, and didn't get a whole lot out of PA. While the army isn't awful currently, there's some horrific internal balance and several truly non-functional units (Vanquisher, Deathstrike, etc). I'd expect Eldar, Tyranids, BA, DA, and Death Guard to also be up shortly as they also came out right about the same time as the last IG book. I'd have thrown GK in there as well, but PA gave them a rather huge power boost (even if it was really hamfisted by just layering additional special rules on there) and short of a chapter specific Librarian and Chaplain, there's not a whole lot they need in terms of model support.