40k 9th edition, : App released page 413

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**BlaxicanX**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
8th edition was just a public playtest for 9th edition.

Change my mind.

By definition it can't be public if you had to pay for it.

**No wolves on Fenris**

BrianDavion wrote:
Looks like it's a ten man intercessor squad. If you could deliver those suckers into combat they'd be pretty good. with 40 attacks on the charge, and 2 wounds each, if 9th makes disengaging from combat harder they'd be a nasty tarpit

I would assume you could then upgrade them to Veteran intercessors and get more attacks. So on the charge with chainswords in the assault doctrine you would get 5 attacks per model so that’s 45 strength 4 ap-1 attacks and then another 5 attacks from the veteran sergeant armed with a thunder hammer and it’s a pretty solid assault unit there. If it’s a BA or WS or SW then even better

**kodos**

BlaxicanX wrote:
Adeptus Doritos wrote:
8th edition was just a public playtest for 9th edition.

Change my mind.
By definition it can't be public if you had to pay for it.

I think the right term would be "early access alpha test"

**lord_blackfang**

So, who's burning their army?

**BrianDavion**

speaking of space wolf assault intercessors, I think we've got our first old school Marine unit made offically redundant, Space Wolf Blood claws, not really seeing any reason to take them over this new unit. they're worse in every way

**WhiteDog**

JNAProductions wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
JNAProductions wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
It's been well established that Marines sell the game to a majority of players, even if it didn't sell it to you personally.
Established by who? Did you run a study on it?
Now you're just trying to claim some kind of authority on the subject.

Marines have been the driving force of 40k for a long time. They've always made up more sales, even when we didn't see updates for them very often, and most players have at least one Marine army sitting around (if they're not actively playing it). You can quibble all you want but Marines are popular. More popular than every other army combined. It's in GW's best interest to put Marines in a starter box because of that.
I'm not. But you are-neither of us warrant that.

Irbis wrote:
JNAProductions wrote:
I don't think special Marines get to complain that hard. Not compared to what Xenos and to a lesser extent Chaos get shafted with.

You having a laugh? Or posting from some bizarro world opposite to reality?

Let's see, Chaos, in case you were blind and deaf last 5 years or so, received gigantic pile of models and revamp of no less than TEN armies across both systems, plus Warcry, plus majority of models in BSF. Chaos at this point is cancer that took so many release slots barring potentially far more interesting things that only someone utterly insane can say something about lack of releases, even half of what they got would have been plenty.

Xenos, too, got dozens of releases across the same period - remember orktober? The release xenos players whined was 'small'? Guess what, it's bigger than the whole DW range. Remember GSC? The faction that debuted alongside DW? Since then, GSC got three major releases. DW? ZERO. Yup, three major releases, each one bigger than DW range, is being 'shafted'. For a whiny kid who is never satisfied even if GW dedicated 100% of output to his personal army, maybe.

And to make matters even funnier, remember Vanguard marines? Perfect fit for DW, operating in the same style? Even though it was not DW release, it could have been a token scrap thrown to DW if the army got rules for them - except, hahaha, nope. So, yeah, maybe in your reality getting hundred+ releases for chaos/xeno armies in the same period DW got big fat ZERO is being 'shafted' - so I hope you will get your wish and all armies you play will get same zero releases over next decade, plus gak rule writer DW have. After all, you said it won't be a cause for complain, eh?
Yeah, Deathwatch have gotten shafted. Course, they can still ally in with regular Marines.

But you're comparing vast swathes of Xenos or Chaos to one specific Marine Chapter. Nurgle Daemons, my main, have gotten since 8th dropped...

The updated GUO
Two new Heralds
A tree
Beasts of Nurgle-forgot these initially
Two unique characters, one GUO, one Herald

That's it. Whereas Marines got... Well, literally everything Primaris.

You're just taking Nurgle Deamons while they are not even a stand alone codex. If you look at deamons, and not only nurgle deamons, then they have at least twice the number of release this editions : a new skulltaker, and an almost complete revamp of the slaanesh deamon army with a new greater deamon, two new character, an HQ, etc.
Let's be fair a little : GW is giving a little too much to marine, but it's not doing such a bad job in expanding the range of mini for other armies.

**lord_blackfang**

Marines are like the spoiled child you have to buy a present for even when it's some other child's birthday or they spend the whole party sulking and throw up on the cake.

**xttz**

lord_blackfang wrote:
So, who's burning their army?

Idiots?

**Jadenim**

I saw some speculation that the non-sword chaplain in that group shot is actually Cassius (he does appear to have a half metal face), so this could be starter set plus one or two special characters, which would make more sense.

Given how heavily they’re pushing Sisters in that cinematic, could they do two starter sets? One with new Primaris and one with the ETB Sisters from the starter box?

**Togusa**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
8th edition was just a public playtest for 9th edition.

Change my mind.

I am almost positive that is what it was. I expect 9th will be an "End Times" style story, even more so now that they've put up their recent article about how the Imperium will end.

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lord_blackfang wrote:
Marines are like the spoiled child you have to buy a present for even when it's some other child's birthday or they spend the whole party sulking and throw up on the cake.

Or. OR.

In the last 14 months we've seen GSC, New Eldar Models, New Ad Mech, New Necrons, New Chaos and Chaos Marines, New Sisters of Battle, New Orks (twice). Seems like there has been a heck of a lot of not marines released recently.

It takes time to update 30 factions, some of which were neglected for DECADES.

**Sunny Side Up**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
8th edition was just a public playtest for 9th edition.

Change my mind.

And 9th will be for 10th.

As well as weaving in (and out) ideas and concepts from AoS, Kill Team, Apoc, etc...

**Kid_Kyoto**

Jadenim wrote:

Given how heavily they’re pushing Sisters in that cinematic, could they do two starter sets? One with new Primaris and one with the ETB Sisters from the starter box?

And maybe a third with several dead guardsmen for the cooler armies to step over on their way to battle?

**BrianDavion**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Marines are like the spoiled child you have to buy a present for even when it's some other child's birthday or they spend the whole party sulking and throw up on the cake.

If you're talking the player base that's not really true at all. Most Marine players are pretty chill when other armies get updated. we might chit chat about what we'd like to see when we inevitably get our next update, but for the most part they're pretty chill. In the case of death watch, the envy is aimed at other Marines and honestly makes some sense, Death Watch are noted for deploying in "small teams of commandos" and I imagine it vexes that they don't have access to the "commando marines"
Now if you're just refering to Marine updates, eh it's a boxed set. GW seems to have decided starter boxes are likely to have higher sales if every unit in it is new.

**Not Online!!!**

Well atleast we can now put to rest the rumor of Sisters vs traitorguard starter that floated around for a bit.

**endlesswaltz123**

ClockworkZion wrote:
MajorWesJanson wrote:

Looks like the veterans have a storm shield, power sword, and volkite pistol of some sort.

That's a LT. It looks like there is a Captain with the shield with a skeleton on it, and a unit of 3 with a Veteran SGT:

My main thoughts.

Certainly veterens, they interestingly seem to have iron halos along with storm shields, I wonder if storm shields are changing to in combat only? The iron halo may be aesthetics though.

There's a chaplain in the middle as others have pointed out, but the guy in black at the top.... Big sword, black armour, seems to have some type of thurible hanging from the left hand... My main guesses is it is some new branch of the chaplain that is even more compact orientated (a true warrior priest) or and I think it would be harsh on BT, an emperors champion, or maybe a variation of it.

I hope and think a future release will be proper primaris terminators, with updated armour/size. Also, I wouldn't be all too surprised if these models have vastly more options when finally released as multi part kits, the assault intercessors may have jump packs in the kit, the hell furries may have missile launchers, the veterens may have hammers.

**wuestenfux**

Well, I guess its best to put all purchases on hold until we get more information about the new ed.
I've already ordered 3 more Aeldari support batteries to have a total of 9.

**Mr Morden**

wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I guess its best to put all purchases on hold until we get more information about the new ed.
I've already ordered 3 more Aeldari support batteries to have a total of 9.

Only if your purchases are rules based.

**endlesswaltz123**

Just to add, I think chainswords are going to be differentiated from standard close combat weapons like combat knives etc now as well.

-1 AP would be my main guess, maybe even +1S on the charge. They should always have been different from standard close combat weapons anyway, the +1A for them is fairly tame in regards to how they should be portrayed (though powerful in game, just not the quite representation of the weapon IMO).

**Leggy**

Has this one been posted yet?

**BrianDavion**

Mr Morden wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I guess its best to put all purchases on hold until we get more information about the new ed.
I've already ordered 3 more Aeldari support batteries to have a total of 9.

Only if your purchases are rules based.

Indeed. if you're building purely for tournyt best to wait, otherwise it might depend. Anyone looking to start a marine army might actually be well served to snatch up a copy of know no fear while it's avaliable, that plus the contents of this starter box'd be a solid foundation for an army.

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Leggy wrote:
Has this one been posted yet?

I think some blurry ones, that's the cleanest one I've seen.

**Mr Morden**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just to add, I think chainswords are going to be differentiated from standard close combat weapons like combat knives etc now as well.

-1 AP would be my main guess, maybe even +1S on the charge. They should always have been different from standard close combat weapons anyway, the +1A for them is fairly tame in regards to how they should be portrayed (though powerful in game, just not the quite representation of the weapon IMO).

Isn't it more likely that the new unit has "Heavy Chainswords" or something as Chainswords are present in a number of non Marine units

**OldMate**

They didn't make the primaris marines big enough in the cinematic, they are, as they are on the table top, regular marine sized, they need to be about another 2ft bigger. But it's nice to see the sisters out and about and kicking arse.
The truescale primaris is something of a Jager in Pacific Rim, to fight monsters you make monsters and they're approx 10-11 ft tall.
It would have been comical when they reached the necron warriors and just sort of realised it was easier to stomp them into the ground than engage them with weapons though...

**endlesswaltz123**

Mr Morden wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just to add, I think chainswords are going to be differentiated from standard close combat weapons like combat knives etc now as well.

-1 AP would be my main guess, maybe even +1S on the charge. They should always have been different from standard close combat weapons anyway, the +1A for them is fairly tame in regards to how they should be portrayed (though powerful in game, just not the quite representation of the weapon IMO).

Isn't it more likely that the new unit has "Heavy Chainswords" or something as Chainswords are present in a number of non Marine units

Chainsword should be more deadly than a combat knife in the hands of a guardsmen, well, more deadly is subjective of ability, it should hit harder if it hits I should say.

**Dudeface**

Mr Morden wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just to add, I think chainswords are going to be differentiated from standard close combat weapons like combat knives etc now as well.

-1 AP would be my main guess, maybe even +1S on the charge. They should always have been different from standard close combat weapons anyway, the +1A for them is fairly tame in regards to how they should be portrayed (though powerful in game, just not the quite representation of the weapon IMO).

Isn't it more likely that the new unit has "Heavy Chainswords" or something as Chainswords are present in a number of non Marine units

Eviscerators for lulz

**kodos**

Not Online!!! wrote:
Well atleast we can now put to rest the rumor of Sisters vs traitorguard starter that floated around for a bit.

can we?

as Sisters are the 3rd faction to start 9th, and they are not shown to be in the new core set (unlike we do not get a 2 player set but individual ones and the Sisters just get the old box) and 40k without Chaos is not a thing so it is still an option

**Albertorius**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just to add, I think chainswords are going to be differentiated from standard close combat weapons like combat knives etc now as well.

-1 AP would be my main guess, maybe even +1S on the charge. They should always have been different from standard close combat weapons anyway, the +1A for them is fairly tame in regards to how they should be portrayed (though powerful in game, just not the quite representation of the weapon IMO).

Isn't it more likely that the new unit has "Heavy Chainswords" or something as Chainswords are present in a number of non Marine units

Chainsword should be more deadly than a combat knife in the hands of a guardsmen, well, more deadly is subjective of ability, it should hit harder if it hits I should say.

Like, S4 instead of S3?

That's how regular CC weapons work after all... chainswords otoh, have always been S4 for reasons, since the change to 3rd edition IIRC.

**endlesswaltz123**

Albertorius wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just to add, I think chainswords are going to be differentiated from standard close combat weapons like combat knives etc now as well.

-1 AP would be my main guess, maybe even +1S on the charge. They should always have been different from standard close combat weapons anyway, the +1A for them is fairly tame in regards to how they should be portrayed (though powerful in game, just not the quite representation of the weapon IMO).

Isn't it more likely that the new unit has "Heavy Chainswords" or something as Chainswords are present in a number of non Marine units

Chainsword should be more deadly than a combat knife in the hands of a guardsmen, well, more deadly is subjective of ability, it should hit harder if it hits I should say.

Like, S4 instead of S3? That's how regular CC weapons work after all... chainswords otoh, have always been S4 for reasons, since the chance to 3rd edition IIRC.

Exactly, or better armour penetration.

**Crimson**

OldMate wrote:
They didn't make the primaris marines big enough in the cinematic, they are, as they are on the table top, regular marine sized, they need to be about another 2ft bigger. But it's nice to see the sisters out and about and kicking arse.
The truescale primaris is something of a Jager in Pacific Rim, to fight monsters you make monsters and they're approx 10-11 ft tall.

No. In art the Primaris are only couple of inches taller than old marines, so they're a bit over seven feet tall. The cinematic got it right.

**ingtaer**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

There's a chaplain in the middle as others have pointed out, but the guy in black at the top.... Big sword, black armour, seems to have some type of thurible hanging from the left hand... My main guesses is it is some new branch of the chaplain that is even more compact orientated (a true warrior priest) or and I think it would be harsh on BT, an emperors champion, or maybe a variation of it.

Looking at the pic in OP it looks like he is holding an hourglass, is that an established thing? Cant recall it from anywhere. Certainly gives off the vibe of an EC or Chapter champion.

**Lord Perversor**

ingtaer wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:

There's a chaplain in the middle as others have pointed out, but the guy in black at the top.... Big sword, black armour, seems to have some type of thurible hanging from the left hand... My main guesses is it is some new branch of the chaplain that is even more compact orientated (a true warrior priest) or and I think it would be harsh on BT, an emperors champion, or maybe a variation of it.

Looking at the pic in OP it looks like he is holding an hourglass, is that an established thing? Cant recall it from anywhere. Certainly gives off the vibe of an EC or Chapter champion.

closer look, also the new captain also carry the crux this one does so maybe a new Crux terminatus for Primaris?