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Flinty wrote: First primaris release was pretty unornamented
Spoiler:
They weren't completely lacking in ornamentation like the Squat appears to be, however. They still had the embellishments on the bolter and chest armour.
They're different than the Imperium proper though and may not value massive amounts of ornamentation.
That said, it's one model and he may the most basic of the entire faction.
Close to the level of ornamentation Grendlesen has (minus the Purity Seals and Imperial aspects) would have been enough; their logo cast onto the backpack and belt buckle.
Grendlesen is a character in a skirmish game, not a bog standard line trooper.
This looks offensive to me... because of what I anticipate GW will charge for the models. Their price range should be reduced to 30-50% of what a SM model costs to adjust for model height disparity. But I anticipate GW leveraging bespoke language and the lack of self control of the masses to make the pricing stand tall.
Follow-up questions. Will Squats 2.0 create a massive proliferation of tactical rock basing? Will we see cute little tanks, drop pods, dreadnaughts, and othe delightful tiny 40k vehicles and terrain for our new diminutive friends? And finally, will GW create a Christmas/Santa themed promo Squat model?
Paradigm for a happy relationship with Games Workshop: Burn the books and take the models to a different game.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: I suppose how excited you are by the return of squats, depends on what you thought of squats the first time round.
Unless you're part of the majority of the playerbase that either wasn't born yet the last time squats were actually being produced or had no idea Games Workshop even existed at that point...
MonkeyBallistic wrote: I suppose how excited you are by the return of squats, depends on what you thought of squats the first time round.
Unless you're part of the majority of the playerbase that either wasn't born yet the last time squats were actually being produced or had no idea Games Workshop even existed at that point...
My fear is that they are going to take this in a generic sci-fi direction to appeal to those who want to play a human faction but think the Imperium is too gothic. It's too early to tell just based on one model, but I really hope they don't go that route.
Close to the level of ornamentation Grendlesen has (minus the Purity Seals and Imperial aspects) would have been enough; their logo cast onto the backpack and belt buckle.
Grendlesen is a character in a skirmish game, not a bog standard line trooper.
...you really think a symbol on the belt buckle and backpack would've been too much? For a 40k model?!?!?
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Close to the level of ornamentation Grendlesen has (minus the Purity Seals and Imperial aspects) would have been enough; their logo cast onto the backpack and belt buckle.
Grendlesen is a character in a skirmish game, not a bog standard line trooper.
...you really think a symbol on the belt buckle and backpack would've been too much? For a 40k model?!?!?
Most 40k basic troops don't have ornamentation like that. Besides, from the silhouettes shown it looks like the sergeant will have a kind of sculpted dragon/boar crest. Then there's that big Dwarf face icon in one of the rumour engines which is probably for LoV since it didn't come out with the Fyreslayers.
Jadenim wrote: I’d much rather GW spent their time adding new factions, units, or variations (come on guard regiments!) to the game, rather than rebooting the rules every five minutes.
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Flinty wrote: First primaris release was pretty unornamented
Spoiler:
They weren't completely lacking in ornamentation like the Squat appears to be, however. They still had the embellishments on the bolter and chest armour.
They're different than the Imperium proper though and may not value massive amounts of ornamentation.
That said, it's one model and he may the most basic of the entire faction.
Close to the level of ornamentation Grendlesen has (minus the Purity Seals and Imperial aspects) would have been enough; their logo cast onto the backpack and belt buckle.
Grendlesen is a character in a skirmish game, not a bog standard line trooper.
It's 2 small pieces of detail in a reasonable place, i'm not talking about elaborate amounts typically seen on characters or veterans, it's this:
Cadian Imperial Guard have the Aquila on their Helmets, chest armour and lasguns, Primaris Intercessors have their chest and bolt rifle Aquila, Genestealer cults carry their insignia, Orks have their Glyphs and various bits of decoration, even Necrons and Tau have the factions logo on them....but you think wanting a small Dwarf-head icon on a backpack and belt buckle (or at least one of the two) to give a bit more character/theming would be too much for a basic trooper?
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Flinty wrote: First primaris release was pretty unornamented
Spoiler:
They weren't completely lacking in ornamentation like the Squat appears to be, however. They still had the embellishments on the bolter and chest armour.
They're different than the Imperium proper though and may not value massive amounts of ornamentation.
That said, it's one model and he may the most basic of the entire faction.
Close to the level of ornamentation Grendlesen has (minus the Purity Seals and Imperial aspects) would have been enough; their logo cast onto the backpack and belt buckle.
Grendlesen is a character in a skirmish game, not a bog standard line trooper.
The thing is, Grendl looks like the other Squat Trooper models(albeit much more detailed), so if you ask me, he is the modern interpretation of the classic look. The new dudes just look weird.
I knew GW would screw the pooch when I saw Khardrons and said WTF, AOS gets better Squat models than 40k(which at that time was none)? Then Grendl came out and I thought "damn, they've done 'em right" further reinforced by Ragnir. Then the Squatau were released and hope was dashed. Folly to me for thinking they'd continue with the recent look.
If people like them them, cool. I personally don't and as happy of a day it should've been, it was not.
It was actually kinda funny. About half of my 40k friends texted me saying are you excited and the other half said are you disappointed? Yet all of them understood my concerns/likes. it was same questions with Sororitas, but opposite answer. I love their new minis.
Close to the level of ornamentation Grendlesen has (minus the Purity Seals and Imperial aspects) would have been enough; their logo cast onto the backpack and belt buckle.
Grendlesen is a character in a skirmish game, not a bog standard line trooper.
...you really think a symbol on the belt buckle and backpack would've been too much? For a 40k model?!?!?
He's got a symbol on his shoulder.
Point was that you're comparing a pineapple to a potato.
Close to the level of ornamentation Grendlesen has (minus the Purity Seals and Imperial aspects) would have been enough; their logo cast onto the backpack and belt buckle.
Grendlesen is a character in a skirmish game, not a bog standard line trooper.
...you really think a symbol on the belt buckle and backpack would've been too much? For a 40k model?!?!?
He's got a symbol on his shoulder.
Point was that you're comparing a pineapple to a potato.
I said without the Imperial-themed elements of Grendlesen - the belt buckle and backpack icon are the clearly Squat-themed aspects .The winged Skull on his shoulder is Imperial themed.
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Racerguy180 wrote: The thing is, Grendl looks like the other Squat Trooper models(albeit much more detailed), so if you ask me, he is the modern interpretation of the classic look. The new dudes just look weird.
I knew GW would screw the pooch when I saw Khardrons and said WTF, AOS gets better Squat models than 40k(which at that time was none)? Then Grendl came out and I thought "damn, they've done 'em right" further reinforced by Ragnir. Then the Squatau were released and hope was dashed. Folly to me for thinking they'd continue with the recent look.
If people like them them, cool. I personally don't and as happy of a day it should've been, it was not.
It was actually kinda funny. About half of my 40k friends texted me saying are you excited and the other half said are you disappointed? Yet all of them understood my concerns/likes. it was same questions with Sororitas, but opposite answer. I love their new minis.
I just feel like you're comparing unlike things (a guy who in the video was boarding a wrecked ship IN SPACE and was dressed for it vs a guy living in a Hive City) and saying they should be the same. Different situations require different things. Plus you're also also basing your entire reaction to the entire faction on what is probably their most basic troop model.
I think the core is that this new Squat is clearly armed in heavy sci-fi armour as opposed to gothic victorian sci-fi armour - which is a touch closer to what the Khadoran's have.
So yes if you wanted very elaborate and runic style armour the new Squats "MIGHT" not suit, at least based on the one trooper we have as an example.
That said we'll have to wait and see - considering the decades of time that have passed, the new army is going to look very very different to the old no matter what.
It will be interesting to see where GW takes the army
Overread wrote: I think the core is that this new Squat is clearly armed in heavy sci-fi armour as opposed to gothic victorian sci-fi armour - which is a touch closer to what the Khadoran's have.
So yes if you wanted very elaborate and runic style armour the new Squats "MIGHT" not suit, at least based on the one trooper we have as an example.
That said we'll have to wait and see - considering the decades of time that have passed, the new army is going to look very very different to the old no matter what.
It will be interesting to see where GW takes the army
My thought as well. I advise the same thing I usually do: keep expectations low and if you have to be excited, be excited to see more, not for what we're getting *yet*.
If the new Trooper is the new version of exo-armour then they've failed as well.
The Trooper is what you should base the ENTIRE esthetic around, cuz ya know you're gonna have a bunch of them.
If I didn't like the basic Skitarii, Battle Sisters, Marines, Wyches/kabalites I wouldn't own the factions.
As someone who loves Squats, GW is sure doing a great job at making me dislike them. I really, really want to like them, but all i see is Tau, and if there was a faction that should get squatted...it would be the faction released in 2004. Unless the bikes, hearthguard & vehicles look like Squats. I guess I'll just continue kitbashing away.
With Covid delays, the Squats 2.0 release didn't get pushed out in time, so the Darktide computer game release had to keep getting pushed back, as a Squat will be one of the playable characters.
Think about it. Game got pushed to spring of this year for "Covid releasons" and the official announcement of a Sept '22 release date (theoretical Squat codex release date?) Was announced the same week as this.
Racerguy180 wrote: If the new Trooper is the new version of exo-armour then they've failed as well.
The Trooper is what you should base the ENTIRE esthetic around, cuz ya know you're gonna have a bunch of them.
If I didn't like the basic Skitarii, Battle Sisters, Marines, Wyches/kabalites I wouldn't own the factions.
As someone who loves Squats, GW is sure doing a great job at making me dislike them. I really, really want to like them, but all i see is Tau, and if there was a faction that should get squatted...it would be the faction released in 2004. Unless the bikes, hearthguard & vehicles look like Squats. I guess I'll just continue kitbashing away.
Yeah, the Basic trooper should be the normal basic level that showcases the design ethos for the faction overall. So to have one that just comes across as "generic sci-fi" without a distinct theme doesn't give a good impression at all.
Racerguy180 wrote: If the new Trooper is the new version of exo-armour then they've failed as well.
The Trooper is what you should base the ENTIRE esthetic around, cuz ya know you're gonna have a bunch of them.
If I didn't like the basic Skitarii, Battle Sisters, Marines, Wyches/kabalites I wouldn't own the factions.
As someone who loves Squats, GW is sure doing a great job at making me dislike them. I really, really want to like them, but all i see is Tau, and if there was a faction that should get squatted...it would be the faction released in 2004. Unless the bikes, hearthguard & vehicles look like Squats. I guess I'll just continue kitbashing away.
Yeah, the Basic trooper should be the normal basic level that showcases the design ethos for the faction overall.
So to have one that just comes across as "generic sci-fi" without a distinct theme doesn't give a good impression at all.
Yup, if the rest of the minis are as bland as the one previewed, I'm a bit deflated.
These models aren’t going to look like old squats, but you will be able to tell they are squats, the lore released so far is not contrary to any of the old stuff, it’s nods to nostalgia.
They also aren’t going to be fantasy dwarves, even dwarves in fantasy aren’t fantasy dwarves anymore.
I personally hope they don’t do the heavy ornamentation thing, so glad I got the option on marines to not got that route. Less is more sometimes. But tastes vary, but I for one am just happy they are were my main opponent in my early days playing 1st/2nd edition and can’t wait to have them back.
Andykp wrote: These models aren’t going to look like old squats, but you will be able to tell they are squats, the lore released so far is not contrary to any of the old stuff, it’s nods to nostalgia.
They also aren’t going to be fantasy dwarves, even dwarves in fantasy aren’t fantasy dwarves anymore.
I personally hope they don’t do the heavy ornamentation thing, so glad I got the option on marines to not got that route. Less is more sometimes. But tastes vary, but I for one am just happy they are were my main opponent in my early days playing 1st/2nd edition and can’t wait to have them back.
I've not seen anyone here saying they want heavy ornamentation, just something to give them a more noticeable theme and make them less bland. It doesn't have anything at all, not even the same level of ornamentation/detail most other basic troopers get.
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Bob Olley had some cracking old school Space dwarfs Scrunts if you fancy... shoot him an email if you are really into that.
Necromunda dwarfs are great for Necromunda but not really for a Kin race lost in the stars with a knack for technological expertise...
I think the zz top shades & beards and comical ideas was fine back in the day.... but its crucial concepts move with time if they aim to reach a wider audience.
Most 40k fans probably did not even seen a squat before on the table or are even aware what they were so yeah decade old concepts are not ideal for the new 40k fans in 2022.
Did not care about space marines but Primaris are actually FUN to paint and convert so I got them... same will be with the Kin if they keep the concepts open.
In a sea of grim dark gothic, skull spam its a breeze of fresh air when you see something like this.
Loads of people including myself always praised the brave take on AoS from the design team. They create new factions from the ground up and they keep the momentum going, so yeah I praise the Kin and the bold take on the kin concept.
Personally I believe this is just a regular troop option and that you will still have the overthetop detailed heavy heroes and specials.
What's the issue? Isn't it a good thing GW isn't cramming dwarf-face runes all over the armor? Or that they're not going the Warcry warband route of having the same icon crammed onto every warrior's belt?
GW has a nasty habit of overdoing that. Just look at space wolves.
Maybe the full kit will have icons on pouches and things to tie them into the faction. I personally prefer adding my own icons, because having icons on already (like GSC models) makes it harder to convert the model into not GSC things.
kodos wrote: there is nothing on the model that tells you that it is a unique faction
you could use the same picture and advertise it as "civilian mining corporation NCP model for Necromunda" and it would still fit
You mean other than the unique silhouette that doesn't match any existing faction, or the equipment that is clearly distinct from other factions?
Neither of which are something that make up for the lack of a clear, distinct design ethos to tie the faction together and give it its own identity.
I mean if your looking for that you need more than a single model to get an idea what cohesive elements tie them together. But to say it doesn't look unique compared to everything else in the game and stand apart with what little we've seen is a stretch.
Fair point 
