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For psychic hoods, you have to make a leadership roll plus 1d6.   A codicier has only a LD of 9.   However, a master, with LD10 has the rites of battle which allows models to use his leadership for any leadership checks, moral tests, and pinning test, NOT psychic tests.    Would the codicier be able to use the Master's leadership for the psychic hood?   Technically the psychic hood is not a psychic test, but it is a leadership test.

For Dark angels, independent characters can buy terminator armor for only 10 points per model.  HOwever, Dark angels must have terminator honours and must take stubborn (stubborn costs 5 pts, terminator honours costs 15 points).  My question is, couldn't I just give my independent characters terminator armor, which automatically grants terminator honours and then add in stubborn (A total of 15 pts, and might I add, a bargain for a 2+ save, 5+ invulnerable, terminator honour, AND access to weapons of doom). 

Also, do terminator armors come with power fists?   I looked at the entry and terminator squads automatically have powerfists and storm bolters, as I understand when you take terminator armor for independent characters you have to buy additional weapons, but I don't know if a power fist comes standard on the armor.   I figured no, but my book isn't on me at the moment. 

1. No, using the Psychic Hood is NOT a leadership test. Nor is it a psychic test, etc.... It is simply taking the models leadership characteristic and addiding 1D6 to it. Yes it is similar to a leadership test, but it is not one, and therefore Rites does not apply to it.

2. Not sure about the official word on DA termie armour. I believe that there was an unofficial Q&A at some point that clarified the 'cheaper' version that you describe. I believe the common concensus is that most DA players just pay for the Termie Armour + Stubborn and do not pay again for the already included Honours.

3. No, Termie Armour most certainly does NOT included the weapons, and I believe the armoury states as much. You must buy the Fist seperately (if you want it....). IC's really shouldn't be taking PFists anyway, its a waste of their higher Init.

Thats what I figured on number one, as for number two, it just states that terminator armor is given at 10pts. with no change in the FAQ so I assume functions as normal.

Also on number three, good to know, Sometimes like powerfists for librarians, just incase they have to go up against something really nasty.   But really you are right, why waste a perfectly fine Initiative of 5.

There are two ways for Dark Angels to buy termi armour:

1. Termy armour from Codex: SM (includes termi hons) + stubborn from Codex DA.
2. Termi armour from Codex: DA (does NOT include termi hons)+ termi hons + stubborn.

Whichever way you do it, it works out at the same cost.

cheers
auspex

What? when did DA armor not come with honors? It just says I can buy terminator armor for 10 points, there is no official DA terminator armor that doesn't come without terminator honors, that just isn't in the codex. The DA codex says they can buy Terminator armor for independent characters for only 10 points from the Space Marine armory, meaning 10 points for armor and honors.

Where in the DA codex does it say the DA terminator armor doesn't come with honors?

Well of course the Codex DA doesn't expressly say that termy hons isn't included DA termy armour, but, what it does say is that: all Grand Masters, Masters, Libbies and Chaplains nd some vet sergeants are members of the Deathwing and therefore have terminator hons (p3). As members of the Deathwing they are also stubborn (p5). This is why Grand Masters, Masters, Libbies and Chaplains were all more expensive (20 points more)than their 3rd edition Codex SM counterparts. And that is why DA termy armour was 15 points cheaper because the DA character purchasing it from the DA armoury already had termy hons built in.

Now, in 4th edition Codex: SM, and using the DA FAQ 4.1 we are told to use the characters from the new Codex:SM which do not include termy hons nor are they stubborn , so, all DA characters now need to purchase both Termy Hons and Stubborn as additions.

So, as I said earlier, you can buy termi armour for DA characters in two ways:

1. New Codex:SM termy armour (termy hons included) + stubborn = 30 points.
2.CodexA termy armour (no termy hons included) + termi hons + stubborn = 30 points.

You will note that DA characters are NOT required to pay for termy hons twice if using termy armour as it already included in the armour's cost.

Sadly, as a Deathwing player, the dream of cheap DA characters is a fallacy.

cheers
auspex

My argument is based purely on RAW, I know there is a disjunct here, but I think RAW its okay to give the DAs cheap as free terminator armor

Now the relevant rule I refer to simply states "...Note that the cost of equipping a Hero, Librarian or CHaplain (changed with FAQ Update) with Terminator Armour is reduced.   Apart from Terminator armor, these items are all unique and may not be duplicated."
"Terminator armor (does not include weapons, independent characters only) ................ 10pts.

The relevant part is the apart from terminator armor  these items are unique.   This means that the terminator armor is not somehow different from regular space marine armor. 

And we already have conceded that Space Marine Terminator armor automatically grants the honors.

Since Terminator armor is not different from either codex (NOTE The only thing the codex states is that DA Terminator armor DOES NOT come with weapons) The only special note that supports you is that the +15 is already in their statline.  However the FAQ simply asks for people to make sure they give their leaders terminator honors.

I think its a very big loophole to get people cheaper armor, simply, RAW there is no problem with giving a IC terminator armor for 10 points and then get the inherent honors that come with it.  If they wanted to fix it they should have in the FAQ.