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I'm considering a second army, and the EC have always intrested me, so I've thrown this together.

DP:  Strength, Aura, Mutation, Speed, Stature, Spikey bits, Master-crafted Dreadaxe, CCW, Doom Siren - 201pts

6 Daemonettes - 90 Pts
6 Daemonettes - 90 Pts
 
6 Noise Marines: 3 Sonic Blasters, Blastmaster, Plasma Gun, Infiltrate, AC: Power Weapon, Strength, Icon - 192 Pts
6 Noise Marines: 3 Sonic Blasters, Blastmaster, Plasma Gun, Infiltrate, AC: Power Weapon, Strength, Icon - 192 Pts
6 Noise Marines: 3 Sonic Blasters, Blastmaster, Plasma Gun, Infiltrate, AC: Power Weapon, Strength, Icon - 192 Pts

Pred: TL-LC, HB, Mutated hull, Possession, Searchlight -181 
Pred: TL-LC, HB, Mutated hull, Possession, Searchlight -181 
Pred: TL-LC, HB, Mutated hull, Possession, Searchlight -181 

Models in Army: 34

Total Army Cost: 1500

I think the DP is legal, as Gifts of the Gods count as Wargear and not Daemonic Gifts, but if I'm wrong, I've got 10 more points to play with.

So, what do you think?

Gifts of the Gods all count towards the Daemonic point allowance.

The model count seems really low, even for EC. I am also not a big fan of statured princes since they seem to just get shot to hell. I prefer a TH BM squad to preds, but YMMV. I have not run more than 2 preds, so I dunno how well 3 would work.

I agree with jmurph. 3 preds isn't worth it. I'd take 2, plus a noise marine havoc squad with 4 TH BMs. They shread infantry and armor alike. Against skimmers, they are real good. Nice job on Satuday jmurph. I didn't see what place you came in, but congrats on your award.

Capt K

Umm. I thought the general idea was that 2 was much better than one and three was better still when it came to vehicles.
You know, forcing them to spread fire and such.

I love tankhunting Havocs with Blastmasters, but I can see the point of nasty possessed preds too.

I suggest putting in some havocs taking away 3 times preds i mean if you want alot of preds then have 2 but you should arm the preds to deal with infantry and armor by giving them blastmaster and lascannon sponsors.

you daemon prince isn't legal, well i'm pretty sure atleast, you can't give him a mastercrafted dread axe but you can give him spiky bits which does the same thing

I really only have one plasma gun in my army and second you should give your aspring champs sonic blasters! Blasters are one of the best guns in the game!!!!!!!!

sry for second post it did 2 and so i edited this one

Sonic blaster termies are pretty neat as they always get to use the Heavy ROF. Power Weapons or Lightning Claws with Warp Scream is always fun too...

6 Termies with blasters and power weapons should run you just under 250. Add Lightning Claws, AC goodies and a couple of blastmasters if you want to inflate the cost by, well, a lot. You could drop one pred and downgrade your Prince for the points...not sure it's worth it at 1500 though.

I have to say I don't like the list overall. Couple of points, but take them with a grain of salt...

-You've got some extra points with the Demon Prince; can't master craft a demon weapon.
-You don't have an icon on the one unit that can actually close on your opponent's forces (Demon Prince)
-2 Squads of 6 Demonettes and no real mobile elements to put them in a good position will cost you the squads. They can not sustain even a single round of shooting.
-While you have some very decent shooting, the Plasma Gun in each squad will prevent you from assaulting (assuming you fire it, but that's two shots lost). Slaanesh dedicated troops are typically very good in assault.
-No combat drugs. This item has been such a great equalizer when it comes to assault.
-Very low model count
-Only 8 scoring units (5 of which are small units as well)
-No Demonettes on Steeds. This is such a great unit from my experience.

It's tricky to build an EC at 1500 points. I've found trying to offset the expense it by using a lot more Demonettes as they are your cheapest troop choice available. Good luck.

In addition to what Sarigar said, you're passing up the opportunity for a much better pred configuration, which only EC can take:
predator with LC sponsons, blastmaster turret.

Cheaper than the 3XLC predator, it gets two lascannon shots and the str8 blast stationary, or one lascannon and the 2 str5 pinning shots on the move.

The LC turret and HB sponson predator is the least effective configuration. You paid for possession and mutated hull so that you can park the things in the open and not *have* to move around.

Posted By Flavius Infernus on 10/05/2006 10:17 AM
In addition to what Sarigar said, you're passing up the opportunity for a much better pred configuration, which only EC can take:
predator with LC sponsons, blastmaster turret.

Cheaper than the 3XLC predator, it gets two lascannon shots and the str8 blast stationary, or one lascannon and the 2 str5 pinning shots on the move.

The LC turret and HB sponson predator is the least effective configuration. You paid for possession and mutated hull so that you can park the things in the open and not *have* to move around.

which i already basically said at the beginning...

The troops are very very juicy for 6 man squads. It doesn't take much to score 90 pts out of one of those units.

I think you need a total rethink, pretty much. Why take an EC lord without drugs? Just say yes to drugs.

Hmm, good points by all, it's time to go back to the drawing board then. It's really frustrating having 6 for the favoured number, because either the unit will be too small for its points, or it'll be too expensive for 1.5k. Expect a new list tomorrow when I get back from class.

Definitely drop out a pred for a unit of havocs. A fearless unit has more staying power and flexibilty than your 3rd tank.

Think about kiling the demon prince, and create a unit of HTH instead. Someone to get your demonettes close. Right now with JUST 18 marines, you're going to get into problems really quick.

Okay, for round two, I've dropped the Daemonettes and the Preds and added the Havocs and the Keeper as well as a few more bodies, I'm not sold on the Keeper, but as it stands, I'm having trouble putting the points anywhere else, and it enhances the CC threat of the army as a whole.

I'm also wondering if it would be worth it to go all infiltrating, dropping the Stature off the DP and Tankhunters off the Havocs to keep the whole army deploying together. I'm also wondering if there might be a more effective way of using my Noise Marines, maybe as a mechanized force with preds, and Daemons.
your thoughts?


DP: Strength, Aura, Mutation, Speed, Stature, Spikey bits, Dreadaxe, CCW, Frags - 177pts
Keeper of Secrets - 170pts

6 Noise Marines: 5 Sonic Blasters, Blastmaster, Infiltrate, AC: Power Weapon, Strength - 177pts
6 Noise Marines: 5 Sonic Blasters, Blastmaster, Infiltrate, AC: Power Weapon, Strength - 177pts
6 Noise Marines: 5 Sonic Blasters, Blastmaster, Infiltrate, AC: Power Weapon, Strength - 177pts
6 Noise Marines: 5 Sonic Blasters, Blastmaster, Infiltrate, AC: Power Weapon, Strength - 177pts

6 Havocs, 2 Sonic Blasters, 4 Blastmasters, Tankhunters - 222pts
6 Havocs, 2 Sonic Blasters, 4 Blastmasters, Tankhunters - 222pts

Models in Army: 37

Toatal Army Cost: 1499pts

you may want to drop a couple squads of noise marines for some noise bikers, they are very good and slaanesh is one of the 2 cult legions that can take bikes

Drop the keeper of secrets and grab some daemonettes. Greater Daemons that aren't bloodthirsters have a bad tendency to not get their points back.

The problem is that the KoS only gets me one squad of Daemonettes and the icons needed to summon them, and one squad of Daemonettes seems worse in my mind than a KoS popping out of the prince when he dies to continue eating squads.

You can drop Strength off of one of your AC as he would be the demonhost getting a S7 attack (unless you want S8 and I'm not certain you can combine the two: unsure).

Strangely enough, it looks a lot like my Eldar (I'll explain). You have lots of move and shoot units, but no real heavy AP hitters. It can be a gamble at times; make your opponent roll so many saves he's got to fail some. It works for my Eldar more times than not, but it's not a given.

I like the Demon Prince. This guy can be a beast, especially if you can get the KOS nearby and tag team units. I didn't check, but I assume your DP has MoS.

I actually used my KoS today in my Word Bearers army. Not too bad overall. Not the best Greater Demon, but pretty decent. I gave him the Gift of Chaos, but didn't turn anyone into a spawn

I think a lot of list critique now rests on what you normally play against.

A/ Vs. MEQ's, you may want to look at mixing some better AP weapons in there somewhere. If playing mostly non MEQ's, looks pretty good.

Good luck

keeper of secrets with possessing a biker champ, drive through the enemy then release it! keeper of secrets like any greater daemons are very, very deadly if used with bikes.