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Harleys seem to be good, so I couldnt help to think what 30 Harlys could do...

Thats not an army yet though, so I got to think,  about  units  to combine with Harlekins: Since Harlekins cant be targeted early in the game at distance, propably a complete target denial strategy like with an "all drop pod force" might do well. The choices cant be elite obviousy, since thouse slots are already taken.

How about 3 units of Hawks?

Just have to fill the requirements of the FOC and here comes a list:

HQ:
1. The guy with +1 to reserves (for Hawks)
2. Eldrad

Elite:
10 Harlekins
10 Harlekins
10 Harlekins

Troops:
3 Jetbikes
3 Jetbikes

Fast:
Hawks
Hawks
Hawks

The ramifications:

- A shooty army cant target you early on, and you will get in close with almost the whole army at one time. All units beeing mobile and ignoring terrain for the most part.

- Close combat armys will have to deal with 30 Harlekins... Looks like a reasonable matchup too.

-You dont rely on cover, but can use it to great effects.

- Rending Harlys and especially Hawks will blow up tanks easily.

- Harlys and Hawks also can deal with hordes pretty well.

- Escalation will be your best buddy.



This is just some brainstorming. Id like to hear your ideas and see the above concept in more detail.

Hawks are a really bad choice for tank popping. Really almost anything would be better.Sucks when your hawks plant bombs on a razorback and it explodes, taking out half the squad

The super beefy Eldar tanks are the best way to play VP denial with harlies I think.

Three tanks definately would be solid as well. It gives the opponent something to shoot at in turn one though.
The idea here isnt VP denial imo. Its about making a shooty armys first turn pointless and then overwhelming one flank, by presenting too many "must kill immediately" targets in the single turn, before you charge.

In what way are hawks less easy to shoot in turn one than grav tanks?

Even behind cover, hawks are vulnerable to whirlwinds, mortars, tempest launchers and smart missiles (none of which can hurt a grav tank). Hawks are much more vulnerable to infiltrators, speeders that are able to zoom into LoS in turn one, and earthshaker cannons (which scatter off a grav tank entirely about half the time).

Hawks can start off the table I believe and deep strike in.

Then they can deepstrike in with their 'whirlwind me, please' sign.

dont forget that for harlies to be worth a crap you have to get the shadowseer upgrade so you have grenades...

And more importantly the veil. Harlies are basically just free vps for your opponent without a shadowseer.

Just take 3 prisms tooled up with vectored engines and holofields, obligatory jetbikes, then as many upgraded harlie squads as possible. Thats about as VP denial as you can get with the new eldar i should think. Veil of tears stops the enemy shooting the harlies until they're really close. The prisms have the speed and survivability to be able to take on small parts of the enemy at a time and win.

Not completely target denial but ive never had any problems denying lots of enemy shooting at my grav tanks.

the prisms/min jetbikes/etc does seem the best way to play the harlequin list.

It's just really tough to get enough tank popping in there with neither prisms nor fire dragons. Options are very limited.

I've been thinking Maugan Ra would really complement a harlie squad very well. 5 S6 rending shots and the S6 shots from a death jester might be worthwhile in one harlie squad. That squad can lag just a little behind and provide landspeeder insurance and help take out vehicles in general (5 BS5 S6 rending shots should really help out with the AV).

Or you could just sit a tiny squad of harlies without kisses and with a shadowseer and death jester (130 pts) at 24-36" with Maugan and blast the crap out of things. 8 S6 shots, 5 of them rending, for 325 pts - when you are untargetable - is pretty cool. Oh and they move and shoot

Plus Maugan looks like a death jester kinda =P

Problem is, you want to go for VP denial so you really dont want non-scoring stuff in there as much as possible. So really you just want one HQ (Eldrad or farseer with fortune) and have everything else scoring.

Scoring units only matter for objectives. If I have a 200pt unit and it doesn't get killed, it doesn't matter whether it is scoring or not, the opponent doesn't get VPs for it.

Sure, Maugan can't hold a table quarter, but he doesn't give up VPs unless he dies. Which is improbable given he'd be impossible to target outside of 24".

In seek and destroy, recon and take and hold missions at gamma and omega levels you get bonus points for scoring units that achieve the objective.

So in a gamma recon, for example, a 200pt scoring unit that is in the enemy deployment zone at the end of the game gets an *extra* 200 VPs over and above the advantage it gets you for not being killed. That's enough to turn a close game into a win.

(That's what makes falcons and fire prisms such effective VP units--they are so fast and survivable that they can zoom to the objective and score an extra 500-750 VPs in turn six without even shooting anything.)

A non-scoring unit doesn't get those bonus victory points.

Do you guys play a lot of S&D/Recon/T&H in tournaments? Serious question.

We never ever see those scenarios here.

I've seen it happen. Also, custom missions might have it as a victory condition; I've seen some interesting ones.