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My friend and I were talking about our normal 40k shenanigans and we came up with this when talking about what GW calls an excuse for a Trukk model (aka The Orky Clown Car) and the Gazhgull Model.

Here's the idea, you take the Trukk and line it up  sideways on the edge of your deployment zone.  Assuming you get first turn, you turn the Trukk so it's facing normally, which will gain you approximately 2" (my Trukk model with the longer front end attachment is 4.5" or so).  Now you move forward 13" (Red Paint Job + Fast Vehicle).  The Mob inside empties out 2" from the front of the model, and Gazzy is on the Dread base (2.5" ) so you put the edge of his base within 2" of the tip of the trukk model, netting you a total of 4.5" from the Trukk.  You then charge 6".  This gives you:

12" (Deployment) + 2" (Trukk Turning) + 13" (Movement  w/ RPJ) + 2" (Deployment) + 2.5" Base + 6" Charge = 37.5" effective charge range on turn 1, which means you can charge any enemy model directly across from you that is 10.5" or more away from their table edge.

Just checking with Dakka to see if this passes the legal muster.  And amazingly it's using 100% stock GW models to achieve this.

Who says you can't use modeling to your advantage? >

really, if your vehicle's turn is getting you 2" closer to the opponent, then it's 2" of movement. i mean, if you're zig-zagging around the table and accidentally get an extra 1" by accident through multiple turns, that's one thing. but if you're specifically designing your army to get into BTB because of that, then you're exploiting.

also, as far as the 'disembark 2" thing' goes, i know the rulebook has specifically shown that this allows you to get more than 2" from the transport vehicle. i, for one, use that rule to my advantage, but i standardize it to mean "half the base must be inside the 2" disembarkation zone" and tell my opponents how i treat the rule before a game begins.

i mean, if you want to REALLY go all the way, just put 1/2 your models on dreadnought bases (which is technically legitimate, right?) and you can get all of them 4.5" from the transport.

and if you REALLY want to go the extra mile, you'll do all this with a dark eldar raider-based army, so that after deployment, rotation, movement, disembarking with dreadnought base, fleet of foot and charge, you've moved a maximum of 44.5" away from your own board edge.

1.) Rotation on the center axis of the model does not count as movement.
2.) The whole point is that this is using 100% legit GW models with supplied bases.
3.) This may actually be legally valid, but it's one of the dumbest things you could do tactically in a game as it's pretty stupid to not hide the Trukk and hope you get first turn and doesn't work in escalation.

The whole point is that it's something pretty odd and funny.

What year did Codex: Orks come out?

This is old, old news.

Several armies could do much scarier things in 3rd (including Blood Angels), and one army can still do it in 4th (Dark Eldar ? try a unit of Wyches in a Raider who roll 12? assault on their combat drugs; or an IC can hop out of the Raider and choose said 12? charge on their drugs), for a reliable 24? move and charge, NOT counting the Fleet, the distance gained by pivoting the (long) Raider, or the DZ width. This works out to a charge threat range of 29?-34? from the front of the DZ.

Everyone learned to deploy far back from the fast assault armies (and use pushback units to increase the distance) in 3rd. There are only a couple of armies left who can do it in 4th. Of course, as Voodoo Boyz noted, AV10 open-topped transports set up at the front of the DZ are a recipe for disaster if your opponent gets first turn.

Does turning a model on its centre axis count as movement though?

Seriously could use this to my advantage if it didn't.

Turning is moving...It just doesn't count towards the movement allowance.

If we're accepting the whole "turn to move up" thing as valid, then a lot of the other details are moot points. Any open top transport can be modelled to be 2 feet long (so when you pivot it, the back doesn't drop off the table), thus giving you 12" of free movement.

100% legal and 100% likely that no judge will allow it.

Posted By Phryxis on 11/27/2006 9:48 AM
Any open top transport can be modelled to be 2 feet long (so when you pivot it, the back doesn't drop off the table), thus giving you 12" of free movement.

...assuming that you don' t have any scenery on the table...

But yes, the rules of 40K don't (and never have done) take 'creative' modelling into account.

Well, that brings up a valid question... Do you have to be able to physically rotate the model without hitting terrain in order to do the move?

For example, let's say a Rhino is in a narrow street between buildings, which leaves only a quarter inch on either side. Let's say it wants to rotate 180 degrees. Is that a legal move? I don't have my BGB with me to check, so maybe that's a dumb question, but I don't recall seeing that in the rules.

Like Skyth said: turning IS moving. It just doesn't count as moving any distance.

You can model a gigantic model, but when it will be hindered by more frequent danderous terrain tests (by pivoting into the terrain or otherwise) and be more likely to be directly hit by ordnance. This isn't even bringing up the problem with trying to bring the thing in from reserves when it's movement distance won't even get it fully onto the table. There is nothing in the rules that says a rhino can't crash hrough walls (it must simply test for it) placing the model will be problematic as the player props the thing up against the wall or whatever, but it can be done.