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I recently played a game against Nids. I had a 1,000 points on him [his allies army didn't start arriving until turn 4] but they didn't even need to show up. I was dead on turn 3.5 anyway.

I had an: Autarch, 2X Avatar, Farseer - 3 Warlocks, [I know, but I had two detachmentsand I was breaking the rules with 2 avatars] 50 Guardians - 3 Scatter lasers, 2 Starcannon and Warlocks, 2X 5 Firedragons - dragons breath, 10 warpspiders - Withdraw, 2 Falcons - decked, Fireprisim - decked, 10 Wraithguard - Spiritseer, 5 Wraithguard - Spiritseer - Waveserpent, Shadow weaver platform.

Partner: Ethereal - Bodyguard, Crisis leader - melta, Crisis team - plasma, Crisis team - missile packs, steath team, 30 firewarriors Bonded, Pathfinders - Devilfish - decked, Ionhead - burstcannon - decked.

Nids: Many, many, many many gaunts, shooty and cutty. Tyrant guard squad, 3 carnifex squads, gargoyles, 2 lictors. Winged Hive tyrant. Other stuff I can't remember.

Orks: Much misc stuff 2.5 K of that didn't actually do anything [it killed two guardians and a Warpspider that's it]

This is the third time that I was totally rolled by the nids. I couldn't kill enough of the gaunts before they assed my line and held me up long enough for his massive creatures to finish me off. [Take and hold mission]

The mission hurt me a little and the terrian was a bit slanted for CQC but even on another table config I couldn't stop him. I sooper pissed mostly because the entire time I was playing the other guy kept *female dog*ing about how cheesy the new eldar were and how they were unbeatable and how I was a douchebag for playing such a *female dog* list while the entire time he was rolling me. [3 times in a row]  [He also plays Chaos, Ravenwing and 'Nids so I'm supposed to be the cheesy one]

I suppose I havent' come to actually ask a tactics question so I'll ask, what adjustments should I make to the list in order fo fight him. [I don't have Harliquins so don't even mention them.] I can't stop them, I'm not going to say they're cheesy but if you can take one list that rolls every army it faces without making adjustments then it's cheesy.

What have I been doing wrong? I've been hanging back using range and warpsiders to harass them. Droping Firedragons for his monstrous creatures, Prisming the hordes and focusing the biggys. I just can't stop them.

It's difficult to judge based off of what you've given us to work with here. Using lists that are at such high point values just exasperates the problem...

Did your Wraithguard do anything for you? The only thing I can think of off the top of my head would be to try some Pathfinders in place of the WG. That many points of snipers should be enough to put a few wounds on the big guys as they advance, allowing your high ROF guns to mow down the smaller nids as they come forward. Maybe also think about a squad of Scorpions to be used as a counter-assault unit against the waves of small gaunts that do make it to your lines (Scorps chew through the little ones very fast). Dire Avengers are another possible solution to the little guys, allowing you to mow through a squad at a time before they hit your lines (use them kind of like a 'ranged counter assault unit' - bring them up the turn before he'll hit your front line and hose the little guys down).

Well your guardians aren't going to do a whole lot firepower wise because they're so short ranged, and when the gaunts get there, you're going to get chewed up pretty bad.

Your easiest solution is going to be going full Mech, leave the guardians at home and use Dire Avengers in Serpents, put your elites in Serpents or just use falcons for their transports. The idea here is that you will only be in H2H with the squads you want to be, as you can unload dire avengers, do the 30 shots thing, and then mount up and run away to do it again in another part of the board before he can charge you.

Fire Dragons should possibly be in their own serpent and will unload to kill the big Nids. The only thing you could use in H2H to take them down would be the Avatars or a sacrificial unit of Scorpions with the Claw (which isn't that great at it). Other than that you're going to need harlies to take out the big creatures as banshees are going to be useless and Scorpions aren't going to be too hot at it either if you have to take them down in H2H, so your best bet is to shoot the crap out of them. The mentioned Pathfinders should do that pretty well.

As far as the gaunts/hoard goes, you have a metric ton of S6 shots that have little to no AP, which you don't need for the hoards. Throw that on Falcons & Wave Serpents and fire away. If he doesn't have a lot of heavy support Carnifex's (Venom Cannon + Barbed Strangler) then he's going to struggle to keep your tanks from shooting. Even if he has 3 of them he's going to struggle to keep all your tanks from shooting them up.

I was playing a 'nid army this weekend, and my star unit were my Shining Spears. They were very hard to use, because his army took up the entire table, (and this was only 1000 points!), but charging even a beefy godzilla nid with a bunch of strength 6 power weapons is a great way to ace them.


As for the gaunts, try this: take at least two squads of pathfinders, and a shadowreaver. Use other heavy weapons to kill the synapse creatures (or charge them with the aformentioned shining spears), and then shoot at one of the big gaunt squads. If it is not within 12" of a synapse creature, it has a leadership of 5. It is pinned, have fun.

Also, scorpians will do well against everything except genestealers, which they are evenly matched with.

Oh, yeah, and defend some cover. You have to think a bit like a guard player against nids, but if you are defending cover, then you get the first hit on the charge.... very handy.

I have recently heard of a few accounts where nids have ripped apart eldar. The main complaint is lack of models and not enough fire power. Even a godzilla list has many more models than an eldar army and the fire power to neutralize their tanks. Going mech with the guardians is the way to go. You want more shots and less strength. Go for Shuriken cannons whenever possible.

Thanks, it turns out he was cheating too. Can choopy gaunts move like Calavry? I didn't think they did but I've never read the codex.

I was thinking warpspiders with an exarch/spinnerette rifle and withdraw for harrasment. Problem is I'm working with what I have. [I.E No Rangers/Pathfinders, No Scorps, No Harliquins, No Spears and only 5 Fire Dragons with 10 Banshees.]

I played 3rd edition Uthwe with two 20 person guardian squads. Now I'm over guardianed.... Sad.

Yea hormagaunts move like cavalry.

I could see the 'zilla lists giving mech eldar some problems.

The flyrant is just plain obnoxoius and the gunfexes are taylor made to keep eldar tanks from shooting. Actually, the str 6 dakkafex shots can glance eldar transports and wound bikes on a 2 +.

As for charging harlies at + 6 monstrous creatures, I would be careful here. I'll assume 6 harly units are the norm, because that's what fits in a falcon. Most will want viel of tears as well and will opt for the power weapon over the kiss (better against MEQs). If you roll handfulls of dice while you wait for your code to execute at work, there is around a 50% change the big bug will go down. Personally, I would put meat shields of rippers/stealers/guants between the harlies and the monstrous creatures. I would probably avoid infantry harlequins in general. It is too easy for an opponent to fly/droppod/roll within 6 inches of these guys and light them up like a christmas tree.

Still, 6 firedragons should be able to pound a dakkafex into the turn in 1 round of shooting.