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Alright, so say you’ve taken the Independent Commissars doctrine and have used one Elites slot to get three of them.

 

Q1. You attach one of the ICs to a Veterans unit before the game (as per the new FAQ). That unit now loses the ability to Infiltrate, correct?

 

You’ve also taken the Carapace Armour doctrine.

 

Q2. How does this apply to the ICs? Do they ignore it, being Independent Characters? Or do you have to purchase Carapace, as per the doctrine’s rules, for all three? And if so, do they count as one unit (i.e. 20 points to give all three Carapace) or three (i.e. 60 points)?

 

Q1: You cannot attach ICs to units before the game, I don't know what FAQ you are refering to (you might be thinking of the rulebook FAQ that allows you to join ICs to units when they are both coming in from Reserves at the same time, but that is a totally different situation). You CAN place an IC with a squad that has already been deployed and have the IC join the unit, but this doesn't apply to infiltrators as they are deployed AFTER the IC.


Q2: The Carapace Doctrine is only applied to 'Guard Infantry' and Rough Rider units. Independent Commissars don't fall into either of these categories. In other words, Independent Commissars would have to buy their Carapace armor from the armoury (although they don't have to buy it if you don't want to).

Yakface is correct on both points.

Posted By yakface on 12/18/2006 9:29 AM

Q1: You cannot attach ICs to units before the game, I don't know what FAQ you are refering to (you might be thinking of the rulebook FAQ that allows you to join ICs to units when they are both coming in from Reserves at the same time, but that is a totally different situation). You CAN place an IC with a squad that has already been deployed and have the IC join the unit, but this doesn't apply to infiltrators as they are deployed AFTER the IC.

 

True enough. Thank you, yak.

But my question still stands. Let me try to explain it a little better. Forget infiltration. Think of any special rule: infiltrate, deepstrike, nosepicking, whatever. If I attach the IC IC to the unit, the unit loses the ability, correct?

 

 

Posted By yakface on 12/18/2006 9:29 AM
Q2: The Carapace Doctrine is only applied to 'Guard Infantry' and Rough Rider units. Independent Commissars don't fall into either of these categories. In other words, Independent Commissars would have to buy their Carapace armor from the armoury (although they don't have to buy it if you don't want to).

Again, my fault for choosing a bad example. Pick any doctrine. Do I not pay for the ICs? Or do I pay? And if I do, do I treat them as one unit or three?

 

 

Posted By Stu-Rat on 12/18/2006 10:36 AM

 

True enough. Thank you, yak.

But my question still stands. Let me try to explain it a little better. Forget infiltration. Think of any special rule: infiltrate, deepstrike, nosepicking, whatever. If I attach the IC IC to the unit, the unit loses the ability, correct?

Depends on the special rule and it depends on the circumstance.

If you're talking about attaching a regular Commissar to a unit of Jungle Fighters who can infiltrate then yes, the more conservative interpretation would be that, as he doesn't have the infiltrate special rule the unit would not be allowed to infiltrate.




Well, if you're talking about a special equipment doctrine like 'Chem-Inhalers' that you have to buy for every unit in the army, then yeah you'd buy them seperately for each Independent Commissar. Even though up to three make up a single force organization choice they are still seperate units so it would be +20 per Commissar.

Obviously you'd be pretty crazy to take this type of Doctrine along with Independent Commissars!

Im not sure on this one and dont feel like getting out the codex, but the page where doctrines start and it lists all the restricted units on the bottom of the right hand column it states who doctrines apply to. Officers, ..... attatched advisors. It does NOT say IC that have joined a squad.

Say the character was not in the squad to start since they can leave or come as they wish. Then the character joins the squad, he would then get carapace armor? I dont think so. As an advisor the commissar gets all the benefits, as an IC he does not.

I agree with smart alex. As far as I can tell IC's don't even have the option to purchase items from the 'Special Equipment' section of the doctrines. They don't fall under the definition of 'Guard Infantry' found earlier so they are excluded from doctrines altogether whether they are attached to a unit that uses doctrines or not.