Skimmers, vectored engines, glancing hits.

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**Toreador**

The question is this. If an Eldar skimmer is moving over 6" all hits against it are counted as glancing. If this skimmer is shot down, but saved due to vectored engines, are further hits considered glancing or not automatically?

The one part of the skimmer glancing rule that makes me wonder is this: "Any hit that beats the armour value of a mobile skimmer moving more than 6" in it's last movement phase counts as glancing hits instead of penetrating hits."

This to me seems to imply that the skimmer has to still be mobile, which if it has been immobilized would make it no longer mobile so all other shots fired at it during that turn should be able to penetrate. Thoughts?

**Angelus Mortis**

Well, I think the key part here is the word "mobile". Correct me if I am wrong, as I dont have the new Eldar Codex yet, but the vectored engines basically prevent it from being destroyed when its imobilized while moving, right? If so, then it would no long be mobile and therefore not qualify for the glancing hits rule. Hope that helps.

**Ghaz**

Seems to me that you're on the right track.

**Toreador**

That is what I thought. Mobile is the key word, and if it isn't mobile, it can't benefit from the skimmer glance rule. I saw mention of this in the Yakfaq, but no answer or explanation. Just a question to be asked.

**yakface**

I removed it because it is answered by the skimmers moving fast rule you quoted yourself: only mobile skimmers may gain the skimmers moving fast benefit.

**Phazael**

The way I ahve been playing this, as an eldar player in the LA area, is that any shots that are part of the same batch (ie all from one unit) or CC attacks at the same initiative step resolve as if it were mobile, but subsequent shooting batched/initiative steps in the same turn resolve as if against an immobile vehicle. Its pretty much the least confusing and fair way to handle it.

Example-1:
Blue Marine unit of five man las plas variety rolls two hits on a Wave Serpent with totals of 12 and 13 on the armor penetrations. Both hits are resolved as glances, even if the first one rolls imobilize. If it is immobilized, then the next 5 man las/plas unit can penetrate it normally, as if it were an immobile rhino.

Example-2:
Assault Squad with melta bombs and a power fist assaults a Wave Serpent. If one of the meltabomb guys manages to immobilize the Wave Serpent at initiative 4, then all the other bombs at that same initiative step still resolve as if against a mobile fast skimmer (6 to hit, only glance), but when initiative 1 rolls around, the power fist resolves against the tank as an immobile vehicle (auto hit, can be penetrated).

**Toreador**

Yep, that was my thought exactly.

Thanks Yak, I saw it referenced in old parts of the board, but didn't see it in your current FAQ, so I had to ask

**Angelus Mortis**

Posted By Phazael on 02/26/2007 1:13 PM
The way I ahve been playing this, as an eldar player in the LA area, is that any shots that are part of the same batch (ie all from one unit) or CC attacks at the same initiative step resolve as if it were mobile, but subsequent shooting batched/initiative steps in the same turn resolve as if against an immobile vehicle. Its pretty much the least confusing and fair way to handle it.

Example-1:
Blue Marine unit of five man las plas variety rolls two hits on a Wave Serpent with totals of 12 and 13 on the armor penetrations. Both hits are resolved as glances, even if the first one rolls imobilize. If it is immobilized, then the next 5 man las/plas unit can penetrate it normally, as if it were an immobile rhino.

Example-2:
Assault Squad with melta bombs and a power fist assaults a Wave Serpent. If one of the meltabomb guys manages to immobilize the Wave Serpent at initiative 4, then all the other bombs at that same initiative step still resolve as if against a mobile fast skimmer (6 to hit, only glance), but when initiative 1 rolls around, the power fist resolves against the tank as an immobile vehicle (auto hit, can be penetrated).

This sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

**5thelement**

I dont think anyone even a GW employee would say differantly.

**mughi3**

unless they FAQ it differently it seems pretty reasonable since other skimmers would simply be destroyed. this wy it becomes a pillbox with al the nifty eldar equipment.

**Flavius Infernus**

It appears clear to me from the phrasing of the rule, but I still encounter some resistance to the idea in actual gameplay. Old habits die hard.