Switch Theme:

Vehicle upgrade- Psycannon bolts  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in us
Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets



Right behind you...

I have searched the forum and the DH FAQ :S and have not found an answer to this question:

Can a Land Raider Crusader take the psycannon bolts vehicle upgrade for its hurricane bolters?  Obviously it can take it if the Crusader is equipped with a storm bolter, but does the Hurricane mount also get the benefit of those rounds since it is also a secondary bolter-based weapon.  The entry for psycannon bolts under the vehicle upgrades specifically mentions heavy bolters and storm bolters in a generic sense but not the Crusader-specific Hurricane mount.  Does this by definition leave out the Hurricane mount? Perhaps it would be a bit beardy to try to give the Hurricane mount this benefit?  I don't know, but the question came up in my mind as I was making a DH list. 

Note: the DH Crusader entry does say that "The Crusader may be equipped with any of the upgrades in the Daemonhunters Armory at the cost listed there."  That does not necessarily say that the Hurricane mounts benefit from the psycannon bolts upgrade- only that the Crusader can take the upgrade. 

Your thoughts are much appreciated.


Armies in my closet:  
   
Made in us
The Hammer of Witches





A new day, a new time zone.

You cannont give Psycannon bolts to hurracaine bolters. Take a closer look at the descriptions in the codex. Hurracaine bolters count as standard bolters, and thus are neither storm, nor heavy bolters.

"-Nonsense, the Inquisitor and his retinue are our hounoured guests, of course we should invite them to celebrate Four-armed Emperor-day with us..."
Thought for the Day - Never use the powerfist hand to wipe. 
   
Made in us
Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets



Right behind you...

I did take a closer look before I ever posted, in fact I even mentioned those very same points in my post.  My question still stands...  Where does this fall into RAW?  Does the fact that they mention two examples of "secondary weapons" (Hvy bolter and storm bolter in this case- as I mentioned in my original post) mean they are the only secondary weapons that can benefit from the upgrade.

I even looked at the wargear entry (which does mention bolters) but since it is not for vehicles I didn't mention it.

I'm not trying to jump on your case bookwrack, it's just that your post didn't really say anything that I hadn't already mentioned in my original post and doesn't answer my question- does the Hurricane mount benefit even though it is not specifically mentioned as one of the two of the examples given in the entry?  Does the fact that they listed those two examples mean they are the only weapons that can benefit?  What is the latest guidance from GW?  Does this fall under a RAW kind of interpretation?

Thanks

and thanks to bookwrack even though I might have jumped on him a bit... ")


Armies in my closet:  
   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran




If the Psycannon Bolts specifically says Heavy Bolter and Storm Bolter - then those are the only secondary weapons allowed the upgrade.

While it may seem in line that any kind of bolter based weapon should be able to get the upgrade, if by RAW it specifically states which weapons can take the upgrade, then only those weapons can take it. Pretty straightforward, really. Good gaming!

Zoned
   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran





Examples are just that--examples. They don't make the rule.

Similar ambiguity exists for the Wave Serpent's "Wave Shield" rule. There is simply no resolving the answer. If I remember correctly, "psycannon ammo" applies to *any* bolter weapon (i.e. inquisitors w/ psycannon bolt pistol or bolter). The RAW would seem to agree that Hurricane Bolters do in fact benefit from psycannon ammo.

But I haven't checked any written source--this is purely from memory.

Ba-zziiing!



 
   
Made in us
Lieutenant General





Florence, KY

If I remember correctly, "psycannon ammo" applies to *any* bolter weapon

You don't 'remember correctly'. The Psycannon Bolts vehicle upgrade is specifically limited to storm bolters and heavy bolters. Hurricane bolters are neither.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
Made in gb
Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

What you need is a Land Raider Prometheus, which you can only take as a ride for a command squad. Give that Psycannon bolts and you get 12 rerolled Bs4 shots wounding a Warlock Council on 2+ with no saves. Plus two more shots wounding on 3+ with no save.

n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. 
   
Made in us
Lieutenant General





Florence, KY

Good thing Grey Knights don't have 'Command Squads' then.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
 
Forum Index » 40K You Make Da Call
Go to: