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At first I wanted to make a ravenwing army with about 13 landspeeders. But I think its to fragile. so this is my new army list.

master of ravenwing landspeeder 205

3 ravenwing bikes with 2 melta guns. 140

attackbike with multimelta 50

3 ravenwing bikes with 2 melta guns. 140

attackbike with multimelta 50

3 ravenwing bikes with 2 melta guns. 140

attackbike with multimelta 50

3Xlandspeeders with multi melta and 1 assault cannon. 230

landspeeder heavy bolter + assault cannon. 100

landspeeder heavy bolter + assault cannon. 100

predator, twin linked lascannon + heavy bolter sponsors. 130

predator, twin linked lascannon + heavy bolter sponsors. 130

vindicator. 125

its about 1590 points.  I think iam going to drop 1 bike/attackbike squadron for a group of assault terminators.

I really like the master of ravenwing landspeeder. most times everybody ignores him with his armor 14. this way he can do sum really damage in 6 turns!

whadayathink!

 

 

 

 

This is actually not horrible, but allow me to fix it for you:

Traits: be swift as the wind

Master with terminator armor, lightning claws, furious charge (140ish)
Termie command squad with 4 terminators, 2 assault cannons, furious charge (222 or something)

Elites:
4 bikes, furious charge, skilled rider, 2 meltaguns, vet with powerfist (176)

Troops:
5 x bikes with meltabombs, skilled riders, vet with powerfist, homer (200)
5 x bikes with meltabombs, skilled riders, vet with powerfist, homer (200)

Fast
2 x landspeeder tornado (160)
1 x landspeeder tornado (80)
1 x landspeeder tornado (80)

2 x predators with las/hb (250)
Vindicator with machine spirit (140ish?)

Roughly 1650, you do ze actual math. 6 more bikers, 3 fewer attack bikers, one less speeder, fists on all the bikers (this is very important), terminator squad instead of landspeeder hq, no attack bikes (suck). Best part is your terminators get two assault cannons and no wasted multimelta speeders. And your vindicator needs machine spirit, no real reason to bother with the tank if you're not gonna spirit it. Not enough of a threat.

The more I think about it the more I think DA bikers need to be in squads of 6, btw, if you actually do wind up running DA. 3 man squads, the fist doesn't work because either you get to the juicy parts of the squad immediately when shooting them.

But the fist is a necessity, imho. Why pay all those points for a vet sarge (you're paying 15 pts for it if you assume RW bikers are 30pts apiece base, which is the cost of normal bikers) only to use him as a bullet catcher.

Anyway, I actually don't hate this list as much as lot of the DA lists I've seen, but it's still better as a Codex Marines list.

As to your actual list as a DA list>

-the vindicator sucks, better off with another pred
-buying DA termies is a horrible idea. i'd rather buy syphilis.
-tornado speeders are not worth it at 100pts. Better to buy 65pt multimelta speeders...or better yet, don't buy speeders at all.


You could possibly make a workable DA list by doing something like:

Sammael (205)
4 x 6 bikers with a powerfist, 2 meltaguns + multimelta attack bike (290ish?)
2 elcheapo predators (190)
1 whirlwind (whatever)
~ 1650

Then whatever else you want. Your bikers always deploy in escalation and get a scout move (and therefore can always split into squads), so you're always deploying 8 bike squads and whatever else you buy. You can also elect not to deploy them if you don't want to, but, they could really shred some armies that come in piecemeal.

Maybe add a big squad of jump packers to up your body count, or a venerable las/ML dread or something.

Your right, in most cases the basic space marine codex makes better army lists. A lot of items got more expensive in the DA codex, but a few items got cheaper.

At first I really like the master of ravenwing land speeder! Its a scoring unit, hard to destroy, and shoots a lot for a HQ model! The second: I like the ravenwing bikes scout rules! A full 12 inch to move at the centre-cover in the middle. I also like the idea of having cheaper multi melta attack bikes wich each count as a seperate unit.


But you right about the deathwing terminators, and landspeeders.. got sum second thought about those...

I think iam going to take two 6 bike squads.. so that I can take 2 assault cannon landspeeders.
apart from that I take 3 sepperate multi melta land speeders. together with the master of the ravenwing landspeeder It makes 6 landspeeders that count as seperate units.

I think Iam going to use 3 predators. For DA the are very cheap and draw a lot of fire away from the landspeeders. for 130 points I got a nice predator so iam never going to spend my points at 12 armor dreadnoughts with less firepower and movement.

thanks Longshot!

sounds good

The dread is sometimes good if you want more heavy armor not in your elite heavy. In DA, maybe not so much due to the price hike.