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Skimmers and cover. I played a game recently and my apponant did not let me fire thru a rhino at landspeeders that were behind it. I realize you normally cant shoot but isnt there a differant ruling with skimmers?  I could just be smoking crack to.

if you can draw line of sight from whatever you were shooting with to what you wanted to shoot at, you have a legal shot. Generally nothing blocks line of sight to or from a skimmer other than things like oh.... a forest or some other area terrain that physically blocks los to size 3. Vehicles only block los as per their profile, not some infinite height thing

Yeah I think you got robbed.  But double check the skimmers section and the shooting section.

Posted By 5thelement on 05/25/2007 12:11 PM
Skimmers and cover. I played a game recently and my apponant did not let me fire thru a rhino at landspeeders that were behind it. I realize you normally cant shoot but isnt there a differant ruling with skimmers?  I could just be smoking crack to.

All that matters is whether the firing model could (physically) draw line of sight over or around the Rhino models to the Land Speeders behind it. If the firing model could, then he is allowed to shoot.

Without seeing exactly what happened I can't be 100% sure but it sure sounds like you were robbed. That said, a whole lot of people play the line of sight rules incorrectly when it comes to vehicles and size 3 creatures so it really isn't that surprising.

 

 

So to use them not on the elevated bases would be an advantage? As written on Yak's rule #1.

Hmm it was a touchy ruling but it was no tourney so i let it go.

i play tau and i personally like using the flying base because it shows the tank is not immobilised or crashed till i remove it from the base.

 

 

The rules require models provided with a base to be mounted on a base equal to or larger than the base they are provided with. By this rule, skimmers have to be on their base. It is not clear if you are allowed to reduce the height of the base. Of course like so many 40K rules it's just not thought out. What happens when the skimmer lands? Not to mention that models trace range from the nearest edge of the base, which I don't think anyone plays in the case of skimmers.

I asked GW in my Tau FAQ list if it is permissible to put skimmers on bases which can modify their flight position. No answer was given, though the Piranha models are on swivelling bases so can alter their flight attitude if not altitude.

Interestingly, Piranhas do not have landing gear.

ya if they were on bases i would have had los over the rhino with no prblems. Oh well i won anyways so it was just more of an for future referance type of question. But still one of importance with all the asscan speeders around.

GW has clarified that measuring to the base is only done in the case of walkers. Otherwise, you measure to the hull, even for skimmers.

Posted By Sazzlefrats on 05/25/2007 1:07 PM
if you can draw line of sight from whatever you were shooting with to what you wanted to shoot at, you have a legal shot. Generally nothing blocks line of sight to or from a skimmer other than things like oh.... a forest or some other area terrain that physically blocks los to size 3. Vehicles only block los as per their profile, not some infinite height thing

I agree. Having a base on a skimmer is not required since it is a non walker vehicle. I have seen many people simply lay a baseless falcon/raider/vyper etc on the ground.

Since skimmers "only block line of sight if they are immobilised or wrecked" (page 20, first bullet) I think it is safe to assume that the skimmers actual models eye perspective from a skimmer is purely abstract. It can be as low or as high as it needs to be.

If they can see you, you can see them. Did he shoot over his rhino with the speeder? if the answer is yes, then you have your answer.

Stricltly speaking you must use the models eye view. If playing this person again, get a telescoping flight stand.

The rules clearly state that you may fire OVER a vehicle, not through it. So, like everyone else said, if you can draw clear line of sight to it, you can shoot it. Same reasons turrets are good for shooting over other tanks, while sponsons are not.