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Made in nz
Regular Dakkanaut






Hi,

I have a probability question for all the maths whizs out there.

Given the following probabilities based on a D6:

Turn 2 (4+) - 50.00%
Turn 3 (3+) - 83.50% cumulative (includes the probability of Turn 2)
Turn 4 (2+) - 97.25% cumulative
Turn 5 (2+) - 99.54% cumulative
Turn 6 (2+) - 99.92% cumulative

So event occurs on 4+ Turn 2, 3+ Turn 3 and 2+ Turns 4-6 then there is 99.92% chance of it occuring by Turn 6.

Effectively think of it in terms of Reserves arriving. If I have 9 units I am interested in knowing what the chances are that eight units will arrive by T2, T3, T4, T5, T6 etc....the probability 7 units will arrive T2, T3, T4 etc

I'm looking to work out the distribution pattern for a given number of events.

If I have 9 potential instances of the event occuring then what is the chance of it occuring 9 times on Turn 2 [I calculate it as 0.20%0, 9 times by Turn 3 [my maths says 19.73%], 9 times by Turn 4 [   77.80%], 9 times by Turn 5 [   95.95%] and 9 times by Turn 6 [  99.31%].

So effectively I want to complete this matrix:

Turn 2 3 4 5 6

9 times 0.20% 19.73% 77.80% 95.95% 99.31%

8 times

7 times

6 times

5 times

4 times

3 times

2 times

1 time

0 times 0.20% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%

So can you help me out. It is obviously not a normal distribution past Turn 2.

Any help appreciated

Pete

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Take your 1295/1296 number. Call it x.

Matrix is:

(1-x)^9 * x^0 * 9C9
(1-x)^8 * x^1 * 9C8
(1-x)^7 * x^2 * 9C7
(1-x)^6 * x^3 * 9C6
(1-x)^5 * x^4 * 9C5
(1-x)^4 * x^5 * 9C4
(1-x)^3 * x^6 * 9C3
(1-x)^2 * x^7 * 9C2
(1-x)^1 * x^8 * 9C1
(1-x)^0 * x^9 * 9C0

Now take your 215/216. Call it x. Do the math above the same way.

109/20/22 w/d/l
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Made in nz
Regular Dakkanaut






Sorry I'm not sure I understand your explanation.

Just to make sure we are talking the same thing, what I'm after is the following.

I have nine units off table and what to know the probability distribution of them arriving.

On Turn 2 it is a normal distribution because it is 4+ to arrive. For 9 to turn up it would be a 0.20% and the same for 0.....want to know the distribution for 1 through 8.

For me it becomes more difficult when we go to Turn 3 as the distribution becomes assymmetrical. Keen to know what the actual distribution is for 1-8 units to turn up by Turn 3.

Then the same for Turns 4-6.

Please be gentle with the maths...enthusiastic amateur

Pete

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Take your 1/2 number. Call it x.

Matrix is:

(1-x)^9 * x^0 * 9C9
(1-x)^8 * x^1 * 9C8
(1-x)^7 * x^2 * 9C7
(1-x)^6 * x^3 * 9C6
(1-x)^5 * x^4 * 9C5
(1-x)^4 * x^5 * 9C4
(1-x)^3 * x^6 * 9C3
(1-x)^2 * x^7 * 9C2
(1-x)^1 * x^8 * 9C1
(1-x)^0 * x^9 * 9C0

109/20/22 w/d/l
Tournament: 25/5/5 
   
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Cuz, yeah....that's more clearly explained.....
   
Made in gb
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Sounds like you probably want to look up Binomial distribution.

The other poster was showing you how to calcuate the chance of each event (0 to 9 reserves arriving). All you need to do is plug in the probability of it happening for each turn - you already seem to have worked that out (I didn't check your figures).

So the chance of 8 arriving by turn 3 =

8 successes = .835^8 = 0.2363
1 failure = .165^1 = 0.165
9C8 = 9

0.2363 * 0.165 * 9 = 0.3509
   
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I'm no math guru but I think you can chug this out using the binomial probability function (looks like that is what olinari is proposing but I'm not sure). If I have time I'll see what I can do (but honestly, olinair probably has the easier way to do it). What I'm not sure of is just how accurate this would be (as I said, not a guru and its been a long time since I've had to do probability).

http://faculty.vassar.edu/lowry/binomialX.html

So for say 7 of 9 units coming in by turn 3.
n=9
k=7
p=5/6
q=1/6 (only 1/6 chance of failing both rolls)

Excel can help you with doing this multiple times. It has a function binomdist that you can use. Use the numbers above and set cumulative to false if you want to know the exact chance of 7 success or true to see chance of at most 7 success.
Hope that helps.

EDIT statement about setting binomdist true as it was wrong.


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Made in nz
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Thanks Guys, that's great.

I'll have a go crunching them this weekend.

Pete

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