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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/06/12 18:59:13
Subject: Probability Question
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hi, I have a probability question for all the maths whizs out there. Given the following probabilities based on a D6: Turn 2 (4+) - 50.00% Turn 3 (3+) - 83.50% cumulative (includes the probability of Turn 2) Turn 4 (2+) - 97.25% cumulative Turn 5 (2+) - 99.54% cumulative Turn 6 (2+) - 99.92% cumulative So event occurs on 4+ Turn 2, 3+ Turn 3 and 2+ Turns 4-6 then there is 99.92% chance of it occuring by Turn 6. Effectively think of it in terms of Reserves arriving. If I have 9 units I am interested in knowing what the chances are that eight units will arrive by T2, T3, T4, T5, T6 etc....the probability 7 units will arrive T2, T3, T4 etc I'm looking to work out the distribution pattern for a given number of events. If I have 9 potential instances of the event occuring then what is the chance of it occuring 9 times on Turn 2 [I calculate it as 0.20%0, 9 times by Turn 3 [my maths says 19.73%], 9 times by Turn 4 [ 77.80%], 9 times by Turn 5 [ 95.95%] and 9 times by Turn 6 [ 99.31%]. So effectively I want to complete this matrix: Turn 2 3 4 5 6 9 times 0.20% 19.73% 77.80% 95.95% 99.31% 8 times 7 times 6 times 5 times 4 times 3 times 2 times 1 time 0 times 0.20% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% So can you help me out. It is obviously not a normal distribution past Turn 2. Any help appreciated Pete
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/06/12 19:16:49
Subject: RE: Probability Question
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Take your 1295/1296 number. Call it x.
Matrix is:
(1-x)^9 * x^0 * 9C9 (1-x)^8 * x^1 * 9C8 (1-x)^7 * x^2 * 9C7 (1-x)^6 * x^3 * 9C6 (1-x)^5 * x^4 * 9C5 (1-x)^4 * x^5 * 9C4 (1-x)^3 * x^6 * 9C3 (1-x)^2 * x^7 * 9C2 (1-x)^1 * x^8 * 9C1 (1-x)^0 * x^9 * 9C0
Now take your 215/216. Call it x. Do the math above the same way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/06/12 19:31:30
Subject: RE: Probability Question
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sorry I'm not sure I understand your explanation.
Just to make sure we are talking the same thing, what I'm after is the following.
I have nine units off table and what to know the probability distribution of them arriving.
On Turn 2 it is a normal distribution because it is 4+ to arrive. For 9 to turn up it would be a 0.20% and the same for 0.....want to know the distribution for 1 through 8.
For me it becomes more difficult when we go to Turn 3 as the distribution becomes assymmetrical. Keen to know what the actual distribution is for 1-8 units to turn up by Turn 3.
Then the same for Turns 4-6.
Please be gentle with the maths...enthusiastic amateur
Pete
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/06/13 01:40:19
Subject: RE: Probability Question
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Take your 1/2 number. Call it x.
Matrix is:
(1-x)^9 * x^0 * 9C9 (1-x)^8 * x^1 * 9C8 (1-x)^7 * x^2 * 9C7 (1-x)^6 * x^3 * 9C6 (1-x)^5 * x^4 * 9C5 (1-x)^4 * x^5 * 9C4 (1-x)^3 * x^6 * 9C3 (1-x)^2 * x^7 * 9C2 (1-x)^1 * x^8 * 9C1 (1-x)^0 * x^9 * 9C0
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/06/13 05:26:56
Subject: RE: Probability Question
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Cuz, yeah....that's more clearly explained.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/06/13 06:14:13
Subject: RE: Probability Question
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sounds like you probably want to look up Binomial distribution. The other poster was showing you how to calcuate the chance of each event (0 to 9 reserves arriving). All you need to do is plug in the probability of it happening for each turn - you already seem to have worked that out (I didn't check your figures). So the chance of 8 arriving by turn 3 = 8 successes = .835^8 = 0.2363 1 failure = .165^1 = 0.165 9C8 = 9 0.2363 * 0.165 * 9 = 0.3509
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/06/13 06:24:48
Subject: RE: Probability Question
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I'm no math guru but I think you can chug this out using the binomial probability function (looks like that is what olinari is proposing but I'm not sure). If I have time I'll see what I can do (but honestly, olinair probably has the easier way to do it). What I'm not sure of is just how accurate this would be (as I said, not a guru and its been a long time since I've had to do probability). http://faculty.vassar.edu/lowry/binomialX.html So for say 7 of 9 units coming in by turn 3. n=9 k=7 p=5/6 q=1/6 (only 1/6 chance of failing both rolls) Excel can help you with doing this multiple times. It has a function binomdist that you can use. Use the numbers above and set cumulative to false if you want to know the exact chance of 7 success or true to see chance of at most 7 success. Hope that helps. EDIT statement about setting binomdist true as it was wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2007/06/13 10:00:29
Subject: RE: Probability Question
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Thanks Guys, that's great.
I'll have a go crunching them this weekend.
Pete
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