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I basically went with all guns.  Elements that are dedicated anti-troop and dedicated anti-armor/MC in an attempt to balance the army while keeping a mechanised striking fist theme.  I know points can be saved by switching the preds to anti-troop (destructors w/ heavy bolters) and the tacs to anti-tank (lascannons), but can the list as written (LAW ) get the job done, and if not, why?

SPACE MARINES @ 1500 for Games Day Baltimore

Master Commander w/ storm bolter & powerfist (crimson fists army)

Tactical Combat 4x5 w/ heavy bolter, bolters

Razorback x4 w/ heavy bolter turret, searchlight

Tactical Combat 2x5 w/ missile launcher, bolters

Razorback x2 w/ lascannon turret, searchlight

Predator Annihilators x3 w/ lascannon sponsons, searchlight

 

I am more confident vs. nidzilla.  I believe I have enough lascannons to handle the MC's, but what can I expect from the heavy bolters?  Will they pull their weight?

Obviously the strategy in objective games is to deny my opponent's ability to hold them through sheer firepower.  Or am I overconfident in the list?  Does this list strike a good balance or is the lascannon:heavy bolter ratio off?

Would I be better served dropping a predator and increasing the tacs to 6-men with a variety of assault weapons?  (2 meltaguns/2 plasma guns/2 flamers)

Any feedback appreciated at this final hour.  Thanks!

Eh. If you're lucky and a good general you got the guns to stop the falcons from shooting. But I don't see you beating it.

Escalation would be horrible for you and it seems roughly half the missions played involve it. I personally feel it would struggle against MC lists. Watch out for Flyrant or stealers getting into your lines with only one fist on your commander and no counter assault. I would suggest at least one assault squad with flamers for the counter assault.

Posted By dornsfist on 06/21/2007 10:34 PM

I basically went with all guns.  Elements that are dedicated anti-troop and dedicated anti-armor/MC in an attempt to balance the army while keeping a mechanised striking fist theme.  I know points can be saved by switching the preds to anti-troop (destructors w/ heavy bolters) and the tacs to anti-tank (lascannons), but can the list as written (LAW ) get the job done, and if not, why?

SPACE MARINES @ 1500 for Games Day Baltimore

Master Commander w/ storm bolter & powerfist (crimson fists army)

Tactical Combat 4x5 w/ heavy bolter, bolters

Razorback x4 w/ heavy bolter turret, searchlight

Tactical Combat 2x5 w/ missile launcher, bolters

Razorback x2 w/ lascannon turret, searchlight

Predator Annihilators x3 w/ lascannon sponsons, searchlight

 

I am more confident vs. nidzilla.  I believe I have enough lascannons to handle the MC's, but what can I expect from the heavy bolters?  Will they pull their weight?

Obviously the strategy in objective games is to deny my opponent's ability to hold them through sheer firepower.  Or am I overconfident in the list?  Does this list strike a good balance or is the lascannon:heavy bolter ratio off?

Would I be better served dropping a predator and increasing the tacs to 6-men with a variety of assault weapons?  (2 meltaguns/2 plasma guns/2 flamers)

Any feedback appreciated at this final hour.  Thanks!

31 dudes at 1500 points?

Too late to change now!  LOL.

Gonna suffer on army composition points unless I mistake my guess.  I could be mistaken.  It's been a long ass time since I've been in the game heavily.

Either you're gonna catch your opponent with his pants around his ankles, or he's gonna do it to you.  You have 5 man squads that can be forced to take 25% casualty tests real easy, and you don't have a lot of CC ability.

Basically, if you can finagle it so you get clear lines of fire, you could probably slay your opponent.  But if there's a bit of terrain, and your opponent has fast CC (Assault Marines, any number of other things), then you could get messed up real fast.

Either way, have fun, and post to tell us what happens.

Something that you may want to think about is getting some power fists. Against nidzilla, they need to get close to let lose with the majority of their firepower (devourers) and they tend to suck in hand to hand. So throw in a few fist wielding sargents in the heavy bolter squads, and you'll have a good way to deal with fexs that get too close (as well as shooty flyrants). Against eldar, you're going to get wasted. Too many small squads are going to get singled out and chewed up to a man really fast. I would sugest filling out some of those squads to at least 6 man.

If that's for GW Baltimore, you can't use the list. Any chapter (which, as specified by you, Crimson Fists) listed in the traits section of the Codex must use those traits, and with Crimson Fists, that docks you 1 each of Elites, Heavy Support, and Fast Attack. Say goodbye to that last Predator.

Posted By Burning Star IV on 06/22/2007 7:49 PM
If that's for GW Baltimore, you can't use the list. Any chapter (which, as specified by you, Crimson Fists) listed in the traits section of the Codex must use those traits, and with Crimson Fists, that docks you 1 each of Elites, Heavy Support, and Fast Attack. Say goodbye to that last Predator.

Pure bollocks. If it is a chapter that has set traits, and you choose to use traits, then you must use those traits.

You do, however, have the option to not use any traits whatsoever if you so choose.

In other words, you may either follow the strict Codex Astartes, or you may use the Divergent Traits that your specific chapter utilizes.

Jeff Hall before he left GW, ruled that you could either use the specific traits, or you could go pure codex.

His list is therefore, quite legal.

Well, the list finished 1-1-1 with a 33rd place finish overall out of 80 players.  It did get one vote for the players choice, which was shocking, but pleasantly appreciated, because there was a really cool IG army by Ted Nagal that Jervis Johnson was gushing about with him. 

The one loss cannot be blamed on the list.  There was a terrain feature interpretation misunderstanding after deployment during the first turn of shooting which rendered my deployment totally ineffective against my opponents army which I was not able to overcome.  Live and learn.  So I gave the list a mulligan.

The draw was one of the best games I have played in a while.  It was cleanse versus Tau and I missed a minor victory by 10 victory points.  The game, sadly, only lasted 4 turns because we got a late start and there was a lot of maneuvering.  My opponent, Stefan, was fun to play against and it would be cool if we lived in the same area because I would enjoy playing him on a regular basis.  He is knowledgable, strategic and fun to play.

The only disappointment was the fact that I didn't face a nidzilla list, of which there were several good ones, I really wanted to see how my list would have matched up.  But you know what they say, be careful what you wish for...

@ newpaintbrush

"31 dudes" is for fluff/theme reasons.  The Crimson Fists are a chapter that suffered horrible losses to the Orks and before the traits came out, this is how I represented the flavor and background by limiting my model count.  I realise the competitive difficulty, but it comes with the warm, fluffy background I decided upon.

@ phoenix

The next list I play will contain some more pf's.  Despite the fact I prefer to play bare bones lists, powerfists are chapter flavor and would have come in handy Saturday.

@ burningstar

I took care of that annoying fact by calling them the FISTS CRIMSON and modelling a chaos Sergeant with the pointing powerfist as my commander and told the judges that my Crimson Fists were considering joining the Red Corsairs in protest to the trait restrictions.