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I apologise if this has been said before, I did a brief searchy, but didn't find anything.

In a recent game, an opponent used Guide on a Falcon against me. A spectator said that it couldn't be done, I tohught that it could, and so did my opponent.

The confusion comes from the wording of guide:

"...one Eldar unit with a model within..."

Can Guide be used on a vehicle?

The argument was that Vehicles aren't units, but vehicles - as the rulebook makes distinctions between shooting at units, and shooting at vehicles, it seems that vehicles don't count as "units".

I wasn't sure, so I'm asking here.

Any help please?

You're right, he's wrong.

Page 8: "A unit will usually consist of several infantry models or small vehicles that fight as a group, but it can also be a single, very large and/or powerful model, such as a battle tank, a monstrous alien creature or a lone hero. In the rules that follow, all of these things are referred to as units."

(And in case your opponent, or another picky spectator, disputes that the Falcon is a unit 'with a model within 6"', page 6: "When you see the term 'model' used in the rules, it will apply to both vehicle and non-vehicle models." )

Thank you for clearing that up, and providing a reference.

It wasn't my opponent causing a problem, it was a spectator and an over-zealous Redshirt (and we all know what they are like!).

You're welcome. We don't have a GW store here, so I can happily say that no, I don't know what over-zealous redshirts are like (at least, not firsthand).

On another note, I sure miss being able to guide Falcons from the inside!

Remember, its your game. If you disagree with a redshirt, especially if you did not ask their opinion. Then politely play it the way you want to play it.

Good thread, I thought it was non-vehicles also.
(looks at falcons) ahh pretty pretty falcons...

A redshirt asserted that a Falcon wasn't a unit?

*shudder*

You know... not to go off topic but back in 2002-2003 I opened the GW store out here and was a Red Shirt for a few months...

I took the job as part time and I could kind of see the Red Shirtitis in some of the my co-workers but I must admit I never really had issues that became this stupid... in fact in my opinion I ran a tight ship.

Mostly because it was a part time job, my real job being with the Criminal Court out here.

I always found that the RedShirts were responsible for RESEARCHING the rules before running their mouths about personal opinions. That is how I rolled, if something came up it was researched and ruled on. I never kept a tally on right vs wrong and how I did... Maybe I should've.

But man the horror stories ya'll tell makes me sorry I still have a Red Shirt in my closet. I kept it as a souvenier.