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Here's a horse we've all seen beaten to death, resurrected, and beaten to death again. Let me know what you think:

Imperial Guard Storm Trooper Squad

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Storm Trooper

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10

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4+

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Veteran Sergeant

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Schola Progenium Commissar

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Number/Squad: Sergeant and 4 to 9 Storm Troopers

Equipment: Hellgun with Targeter or Shotgun or Hellpistol. Close Combat Weapon. Frag Grenades. Krak Grenades.

Sergeant: The Sergeant may be upgraded to either a Veteran Sergeant or Schola Progenium Commissar. The Veteran Sergeant may take up to 30 points of Wargear from the Armory. The Schola Progenium Commissar (SPC) may take up to 50 points of Wargear from the Armory, and has access to Officer Only options.

Options: Up to 2 Storm Troopers may replace their weapons with one of the following: Plasma Gun at +10pts, Grenade Launcher at +10pts, Meltagun at +10pts, Flamethrower at +5pts, Heavy Stubber at +8pts

Additionally, one Storm Trooper may replace his weapons with one of the following: Plasma Gun at +10pts, Grenade Launcher at +10pts, Meltagun at +10pts, Flamethrower at +5pts, Heavy Stubber at +8pts, Heavy Flamethrower at +10pts, Autocannon at +15pts (Autocannon Storm Trooper must have one designated ammo carrier – this model may not carry special weapons or be the Sergeant or some upgraded variant thereof).

Notes:

Targeters – allow squad to pre-measure range to multiple squads before declaring which the squad is shooting at. Causes pinning if at least one unsaved wound is inflicted.

Weapons have been restructured below.

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Is this something that would make Stormies decent? Tell me what you think.

CK

Sure, but isn't there some way to do it without meddling with every weapon option they have? It isn't exactly an elegant solution.

Honestly, honestly?

Just knock a point off.

They have every single thing you can give to a S3 T3 I3 model, and they still kind of suck. 1.5 times the price of a normal guardsman is fair.

Either that or make Hellguns S4 AP-, super-lasguns, just like those Shotguns should be.

I like the Assault X Frag as a tweak on Grenade Launchers. I'd say 2, not 3, and keep it at S3. It has to be less than a missile launcher, _especially_ if it is firing more than one shell.

Storm Troopers should be amongst the ranks of the "actually good", they shouldn't just be a delivery system for multiple special weapons, that's what Last Chancers are for.

Hmm, a 3 attack WS4 powerfist is actually rather nice in IG. Especially in a 4+ squad. lack of mobility makes it tricky, but possibly good.

Remove a point, or better yet a point and a fraction considering how restricted they are, is probably better.

This was more of an exercise in creativity than anything - I just wanted to know what y'all thought.

TBH, I think Storm Troopers would be worth taking if one of two things were done:

1) Drop them to 9 points each, or

2) Make Hellguns Assault 2 instead of Rapid Fire. This would make them a great mobile platform, even with the gimpy Grenade Launcher. A 10-man squad with 2 GLs could pump out 18 Str3 BS4 shots and 2 Str6 BS4 shots - they'd actually be able to kill a couple MEQs before the Power Armor closed ranged and slaughtered them.

CK

Posted By Corpsman_of_Krieg on 10/03/2007 5:02 PM
This was more of an exercise in creativity than anything - I just wanted to know what y'all thought.

TBH, I think Storm Troopers would be worth taking if one of two things were done:

1) Drop them to 9 points each, or

2) Make Hellguns Assault 2 instead of Rapid Fire. This would make them a great mobile platform, even with the gimpy Grenade Launcher. A 10-man squad with 2 GLs could pump out 18 Str3 BS4 shots and 2 Str6 BS4 shots - they'd actually be able to kill a couple MEQs before the Power Armor closed ranged and slaughtered them.

CK

A combat squad is 110 points with a plasma gun (assuming it's 10 points), and 125 with a power fist too.

At 9 points for about the same price you get 10 Stormtroopers w/ 2 plasma guns for 120 points.  Or you could call it 2 squads with 12 guys for 9 points and 4 plasma guns coming to 148 points.

They should be able to do just fine against MEQ on a point per point basis.  The problem is when they go toe-toe with 1.5x or greater their points cost and get swarmed under.

I like the Assault idea, but it just seems weird to me.  Stormtroopers have always been associated with meltaguns and plasmaguns anyway.