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Which stats are to be used for the dakkaguns? The ones on page 46 or the ones on the summary page?

Also, where as the warbuggies under the fast attack entry are listed as having a twin-linked big shoota, the warbikers are only listed as having a dakkagun. But the warbikes entry on page 46, say warbikes have noisy twin-linked dakkaguns mounted on their bikes. Normally, I'd take that to mean they are twin linked, but the addition of noisy sorta puts the sentence on the fluff side. Do the dakkagun stats represent twin-linked guns? Or do you use the dakkagun stats, and reroll misses?

Man what a disaster. Two different statlines and a questionable twin-linked status. . .wow.

Your guess is as good as anyone else.



I think I'd personally follow the statline in their description (as opposed to the summary) and play it as twin-linked. But that's just me.

Check out the German Errata. Very handy.

http://www.games-workshop.de/home/errata/errata-40k-de.shtm#orks

Im so glad i know spanish...

Anyone able to give a translation?

That FAQ, as best I can tell from a web translation only refers to the rate of fire (Saying the weapon is Assault 3 like in the front section of the book) but doesn't mention the AP difference between the two statlines or the lack (or inclusion) of the twin-linked rule.

Its a good start, but definitely not a complete answer.

German Errata wrote:S. 104. Schusswaffentabelle:
Dakkawummen sind, wie weiter vorn im Codex angegeben, "Sturm 3".

Dakkaguns are Assault 3.

Warbikes carry a pair of these weapons and they are twin-linked.

I got the assault 3, but where do you get the twin-linked bit from?

Wargear: Warbike. Codex: Orks, P.46.

Not sure, the inclusion of fluff in that sentence makes me a bit wary. Especially combined with the fact that in the army list warbikers are not listed as having twin-linked dakkaguns.

Case in point.

Warbuggies are listed as having twin-linked big shootas, which can be replaced with twin-linked rokkit launcha or upgraded to Skorcha. Page 49. "The weapons used by Warbuggies are twin-linked so that their inherent inaccuracy can be offset by a high rate of fire." Says they are twin-linked, but also mixed with a bit of fluff. So would you say that a upgraded skorcha would also be twin-linked?

they have one dakka gun. fluff is fluff and rules are rules and no where does it state that they have the twin-linked special rule. sorry but the little blurb in the fluff doesnt count. now this may not have been the intention but it is how it is written. if it were twin linked it would say so in the unit entry just like warbuggies.

@munk, no you would not have a twin linked skorcha otherwise it would say replace it for a twin linked skorcha just like it does for rokkits.

Twin-linked weapons are mentioned in the Warbuggy Unit Description's fluff. Twin-linked Dakkaguns are mentioned in the Warbike Unit Description's Wargear rules. So there's a difference right there. The Warbuggy Wargear Rules explain how the Skorcha upgrade works.

In the army like Ghazghkull is not listed as being Slow and Purposeful, yet he is because his Mega Armour Wargear includes that special rule. Similarly the Wargear: Warbikes include rules concerning Dakkaguns and a rule concerning how they are mounted (twin-linked).

Models like Tau Battlesuits and Tyranid Carnifexes upgrade weapons to twin-linked when they take multiples of the same weapon. Other things can simple take twin-linked weapons such as Chaos Terminators who have twin-linked Bolters. Warbikes combine elements of both.

Ignore the inclusion of the Dakkagun under the Warbiker's Wargear list since Warbikes come bundled with twin-linked Dakkaguns.

but the bike unit entry does not have the twin-linked trait.
if they were twin-linked it would have the trait listed just like it does for warbuggies.

page 101 right under the unit entries wargear. a warbuggy comes with a twin-linked big shoota while a biker comes with a dakkagun, period.
your trying to justify a rule by quoting fluff.

No, the buggy bit was out of fluff, but the warbiker's reference to twin-linked was under the rules portion, it just included the fluffy term 'noisy' in the rules. Unless, of course, the inclusion of 'noisy' turns that rule sentence into fluff.

Would that I were....

The Army List Entries in the Ork Codex have occasional typos, such as the number of wounds on the Warbike Nob, for example. The Wargear rules in the Unit Description section, quoted by the German Errata as definitive, describe the Warbike as having twin-linked Dakkaguns.

The term "noisy" is just that, noise. It has no effect on the rule.

huh? the german FAQ doesnt say anything about being twin-linked.
ill concede that this is probably a typo but RAW is definitely not twin-linked. just going by the fact that they used to be twin-linked tells me that they should be too but RAW kills this.

Well, RAW is a good way of getting things wrong. That said, what the previous edition's codex says is irrelevant. The current codex says that the Dakkaguns are twin-linked. The Errata simply tells us that they are Assault 3, not Assault 2.

They are a gun that is inherently twin-linked. The gun is unlike the twin-linked rokkit on the the buggie because a rokkit can be non-twin-linked. A dakkagun can't be non-twin-linked. That's why they don't include twin-linked in the description of it.

It would be like saying a Lobba is an indirect-firing Lobba in the Army list.

again, where does it say that it is twin-linked? nowhere except in the fluff.

usernamesareannoying wrote:again, where does it say that it is twin-linked? nowhere except in the fluff.

How is a sentence in the rules describing what a Warbike is equipped with considered fluff? The bike is described as being armed with twin-linked weapons and the model sure as heck seems to also represent that fact.


Either way it needs to be FAQ'd (in English please) and while they're at it they should also mention whether the weapon's AP is supposed to be 4 or 5.

usernamesareannoying: The Ork Wargear section on P.89 of Codex Orks says that:

"Note that weapons and equipment that may be used by more than one type of model or unit are detailed here, while equipment that is unique to a single model or unit is detailed in the appropriate entry in the Forces section."

The Warbike Wargear entry are the rules regarding warbikes and the rules applying to models equipped with them. This Wargear entry says:

"Warbikes have noisy twin-linked dakkaguns mounted on their bikes."

The rules say that the dakkaguns mounted on a Warbike are "twin-linked", P.46, Codex: Orks, Wargear: Warbikes.

edited for blindness...

"@yakface - OMG Yak, are you serious? you're saying that the portion of information describing the bike is anything more than fluff? you're seriously trying to pull rules out of that?"


That same 'fluff' paragraph contains the rule for the bike's toughness improving, the troop modification rule for those using the wargear, and the caveat about the toughness improvement not applying to instant death. Putting aside the labeling of the paragraph as 'Wargear', this sort of information is not present in fluff.

I was undecided until I took a look at the placement, but the twin link is pretty clear. It is not marked as such in the summary sheet, but neither is a Twin-Linked Shoota, a Twin-Linked Big Shoota, nor a Twin-Linked rokkit launcha. Twin linked is a weapon modification, not a different weapon in and of itself. The twin linking takes place in the warbike section, as has already been aptly quoted.

damnit...!
thanks Gitzbah. that bit about instant death finally got me looking in the right direction. I thought you guys were talking about the description ABOVE the special rules for the bike. This is what i thought you were quoting and not the "warbike" entry under the wargear heading.

2 pages of stupid arguement later i agree, it is twin-linked.

where is the AP discrepency though? between the entry and the summary? i dont have the summary page is why i ask.

No problem. The summary page actually lists the weapon as being AP 4, and assault 2, a dramatic difference. I think they've got it up on the GW site now.

The Wargear entry is definitive, the summary is just, well, a summary.*

*Funny story, there's a movement out there in Bioethics for something called "Evidence Based Medicine" whereby physicians magically keep up with all the up-to-date published material out there and cut it to fit patient profiles. In reality they just read the article abstract (the summary) and make their own damned diagnosis. Upon inspection the number of misdiagnosises is staggering, both in the variety of elementary fallacies and the number made. Considering the nature of most abstracts in scholarly journals, this is not surprising.