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5th Edition Mech Eldar.

Fire Dragons go in the Falcons.
Farseers go with the Warlocks.
Fire Prism gets the fortune.
Warlock bike squad gets the fortune.
Spears outflank.
Falcons go out, drop the Dragons; and most likely all die. They are thankfully 'hurty' enough and survivable enough I can handle it.
The 'normal' Guardian Jetbikes JSJ until dead or broken.
All told I still retain my mobility, which is even more important for Eldar in 5th despite the really incredibly stupid bunker rules for tanks.

1850 Pts - Eldar Roster - Eldar

1 Farseer @ 140 Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Fortune ; Turbo-boosters; Ghost Helm (GH); Rune Armour (RAmr); Runes of Warding (RofWard); Runes of Witnessing (RofWit); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)

1 Farseer @ 125 Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Fortune ; Turbo-boosters; Ghost Helm (GH); Rune Armour (RAmr); Runes of Witnessing (RofWit); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
1 Warlock Unit @ 465 Pts
1 Warlock @ [45] Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Turbo-boosters; Rune Armour (RAmr); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
1 Warlock @ [45] Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Turbo-boosters; Rune Armour (RAmr); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
1 Warlock @ [45] Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Turbo-boosters; Rune Armour (RAmr); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
1 Warlock @ [45] Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Turbo-boosters; Rune Armour (RAmr); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
1 Warlock @ [45] Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Turbo-boosters; Rune Armour (RAmr); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
1 Warlock @ [45] Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Turbo-boosters; Rune Armour (RAmr); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
1 Warlock @ [45] Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Turbo-boosters; Rune Armour (RAmr); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
1 Warlock @ [45] Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Turbo-boosters; Rune Armour (RAmr); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
1 Warlock @ [45] Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Turbo-boosters; Rune Armour (RAmr); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
1 Warlock @ [60] Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Psyker; Enhance ; Turbo-boosters; Rune Armour (RAmr); Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)

5 Fire Dragons @ 113 Pts
Fleet; Fusion Gun (Fg); Melta Bombs
1 Fire Dragon Exarch @ [33] Pts
Fleet; Crack Shot (CS); Dragon's Breath Flamer; Melta Bombs

5 Fire Dragons @ 113 Pts
Fleet; Fusion Gun (Fg); Melta Bombs
1 Fire Dragon Exarch @ [33] Pts
Fleet; Crack Shot (CS); Dragon's Breath Flamer; Melta Bombs

3 Guardian Jetbike Squadron @ 76 Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x2)

3 Guardian Jetbike Squadron @ 76 Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x2)

4 Shining Spears @ 202 Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x4)
1 Shining Spears Exarch @ [62] Pts
Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1)

1 Falcon @ 185 Pts
Holo-Field (Vehicle) (H-F); Vectored Engines (VE); Scatter Laser (SctL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat); Pulse Laser (PL)

1 Falcon @ 185 Pts
Holo-Field (Vehicle) (H-F); Vectored Engines (VE); Scatter Laser (SctL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat); Pulse Laser (PL)

1 Fire Prism @ 170 Pts
Holo-Field (Vehicle) (H-F); Vectored Engines (VE); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat); Prism Cannon (PC)

Total Roster Cost: 1850

Might be a fun list in the 4th ed. In the fifth however, you got 2 scoring units of six scoring models altogether, and your army is worth 23 KP. It's destined to fail. Fire Dragons and such aren't expendable anymore since each throwaway squad is worth 2 KP.

I find some of the new rules ridiculous, and thus don't want to give a comment on the list.

Why not playing 3x 3 Warwalkers and stalking Scorpions to flank the enemy, and walking (better running) up with a Farseer, Avatar, and whatever fits into the Avatar's fearless bubble?

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Eldrad

mix of pathfinders/brightlance guardians

-- that's how I would start 5e Eldar. paradigm shift 4tw.


Falcons just can't do enough damage anymore without rending harlequins and suicidal fire dragons, and without their skimmer protection and defensive weapons they will be basically useless for shooting.

Either you move 6 and get penetrated by everything on the board (which, with the new damage chart, that means each penetrating hit has a 4/9 chance to destroy you even with a holofield as far as I can tell).

Or you move 12 and 2/3rds of the time you get penetrated. Screw that noise. Holofielded falcons are worse than a landraider in cover so you might as well leave them in the box.

You guys worry too much. The rules for missions are being revamped. You think they're bad now, you should have seen them before. lol man were they bad.

Falcons won't be as bad as you think.

The system you speak of so highly Therion, I don't think it's going to make it past it's birth. I'm totally discounting it making it into the game as it stands.

The system you speak of so highly Therion, I don't think it's going to make it past it's birth

There seems to be some terrible misunderstanding here. I'm not speaking highly of it, I'm just speaking of it. 5th edition is most likely driving me off Eldar and perhaps 40K altogether, so I definately don't see any reason for praise in the rules. What I meant was that assuming the leaked PDF stays as it is, this Eldar list here will suck horribly.

Well I think alot is going to change in 5th edition. We'll see.

I think you should plan for 5th edition when you have the 5th edition book in your hand. Not really one for what ifs.

2 farseers seems interesting. I was thinking an autarach to go with the shining spears but your spears unit is 5 strong.

So you have the full 10 warlock council. Have you tried a smaller number like 6 or 7? I like the full council but its really expensive I been trying to cut down in my list.

I feel runes of witnessing really is not necessary. Embolden costs 5 points and helps you not running and lets you reroll your psychic test. I feel that is enough.

Why not use the eldar missile launcher. Counts as a defensive weapon with a frag.

Still don't like the jetbike council, but given that that has to be in the list, it's going to be fairly hard. I'd still whittle it down to at least 8 if the Farseers are going to be in there anyways. At least the most high-KP units here will be the hardest to kill.

You should modify this list to be your "If KPs don't make it" list. I would be interested to see how you would change your lists if they did. Just for kicks, care to indulge me and toss out a list based on KPs (with the values in the .pdf) and Troops-only scoring? And let's also say for the sake of argument that simply "kill everything ignore KPs" won't do either, as very hard/evasive KP-denial lists are liekly to be common.

I look forward to seeing what you would design for that situation, Stelek.

Avariel, if you're not running out and buying models, what's wrong with a little pre-planning in spec mode? 'Sides which, theoryhammer is even more fun (ridiculous) when even the rules are totally iffy.

Sure. I was working on that anyway. Got a few requests to finish sometime this week. I'll do that one first I guess. In a seperate post of course.

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Eldrad

mix of pathfinders/brightlance guardians

-- that's how I would start 5e Eldar. paradigm shift 4tw.


Falcons just can't do enough damage anymore without rending harlequins and suicidal fire dragons, and without their skimmer protection and defensive weapons they will be basically useless for shooting.

Either you move 6 and get penetrated by everything on the board (which, with the new damage chart, that means each penetrating hit has a 4/9 chance to destroy you even with a holofield as far as I can tell).

Or you move 12 and 2/3rds of the time you get penetrated. Screw that noise. Holofielded falcons are worse than a landraider in cover so you might as well leave them in the box.

Eldrad/Avatar and some units walking in the Avatar's fearless bubble, supported by some FA units and Harlies. That's a good way to go.