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So I was hustling about getting ready for Eostre, and it occurred to me that the Lash of Submission was a nice idea, but a bit of a hassle in practice. There's all sorts of arguments over how models are moved - whether they can be bunched up, moved out of coherency, moved twice, and so on. But the pinning part is pretty interesting and characterful. So I figured get rid of the movement part, and expand the pinning part to cover vehicles and otherwise un-pinnable troops.

A glowing whip of sorcerous energy snakes out from the sorcerer's hand and lashes across the battlefield. Those caught by its ethereal barbs throws themselves to the ground in blasphemous submission.

"A psyker may use this psychic power in the Shooting phase instead of using another ranged weapon. Pick any enemy unit within line of sight to the psyker and within 24", and then take a Psychic test in order to use the power. If the test is successful, then the target is either pinned or stunned, as appropriate, regardless of special rules such as Extra Armour, Possessed, or Fearless. Only units with either the Soulless and/or Mindless rule are not pinned or stunned."

"...If the unit contains a model with the Independent Character rule, the unit can make a Leadership test to resist the effect. This is at a -1 penalty, as if the unit was under 50% strength."

MinMax: That seems like a pretty good addition. It's certainly characterful, and gives people a good reason to take Independent Characters. Any particular reasons for suggesting it?

Independent Characters seem like the type to not lay down and take it, I suppose. Sort of like the hero summoning his courage to resist evil, something like that.

I really like this version of Lash of Submission, by the way.

I'm all for it. Make pinning actualy part of the game. The additional incentive to actualy put your independent characters into squads is fine by me as well.

I like this rewrite of the lash. Because player in my city try and I do mean try, To tell me that the lash can move my ten tac squad in a huddle for a vincidator shot. I've never like this power. For two reasons, one: it poorly written, two: it's too powerful in it correct wording. You know somthing is chessey when regardless the of the army, players take it.

So, incorporating MinMax's suggestions:

A glowing whip of sorcerous energy snakes out from the sorcerer's hand and lashes across the battlefield. Those caught by its ethereal barbs throws themselves to the ground in blasphemous submission. Only the Mighty can resist the wiles of the Prince of Chaos.

"A psyker may use this psychic power in the Shooting phase instead of using another ranged weapon. Pick any enemy unit within line of sight to the psyker and within 24", and then take a Psychic test in order to use the power. If the test is successful, then the target is either pinned or stunned, as appropriate, regardless of special rules such as Extra Armour, Possessed, or Fearless. Only units with either the Soulless and/or Mindless rule are not pinned or stunned. Independent Characters may take a pinning test as normal, separately from any unit they may have joined."

I don’t think that captures what MinMax was suggesting, and I think it adds a new area for confusion, in terms of how it works for an attached IC to take an independent test. For simplicity, I think it should be an all or nothing deal. Either the IC’s leadership and heroic example allow his unit to resist the effects, or he’s dragged down along with them.

So:

A glowing whip of sorcerous energy snakes out from the sorcerer's hand and lashes across the battlefield. Those caught by its ethereal barbs throws themselves to the ground in blasphemous submission. Only the Mighty can resist the wiles of the Prince of Chaos.

"A psyker may use this psychic power in the Shooting phase instead of using another ranged weapon. Pick any enemy unit within line of sight to the psyker and within 24", and then take a Psychic test in order to use the power. If the test is successful, then the target is either Pinned or Stunned, as appropriate, regardless of special rules such as Extra Armour, Possessed, or Fearless. Only units with either the Soulless and/or Mindless rule are not Pinned or Stunned. If the unit contains a model with the Independent Character rule, the unit can make a Leadership test to resist the effect. This is at a -1 penalty, as if the unit was under 50% strength."

Fair enough. So long as the last sentence reads: "This Leadership test is made at a -1 penalty, as if the unit was under 50% strength."

Looks good. Hang on; do Pin tests normally incur the -1 for being under half? I can't remember.

Nope, that's Morale tests. Might be something to leave the "as if the unit was under 50% strength" out entirely so people aren't confused by it.

A glowing whip of sorcerous energy snakes out from the sorcerer's hand and lashes across the battlefield. Those caught by its ethereal barbs prostrate themselves in blasphemous submission. Only the Mighty can resist the wiles of the Prince of Chaos.

"A psyker may use this psychic power in the Shooting phase instead of using another ranged weapon. Pick any enemy unit within line of sight to the psyker and within 24", and then take a Psychic test in order to use the power. If the test is successful, then the target is either Pinned or Stunned, as appropriate, regardless of special rules such as Extra Armour, Possessed, or Fearless. Only units with either the Soulless and/or Mindless rule are not Pinned or Stunned. If the unit contains a model with the Independent Character rule, then that unit can try to resist the effect by passing a Pinning test at a -1 penalty to resist the effect."

[Edited for sense and fancy words.]