Starting with warmachines: Need Menoth tips

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**zekrish**

Hello everyone!

I'm thinking about starting to play warmachines and i ahve decided to play menoth becaus of the nice models, i know it is rather short sighted but still: you gotta love the army to be abel to win with it, and i have no idea what to get or how to play them. So please help this n00b!

MVH
Zekrish

**wspatterson**

It pains me to say this, but zealots. I hate zealots, but they're effective. Which is why I hate them. They're possibly even a little broken. Maybe.

**DarkTemplars**

No, zealots aren't broken.

Zealots with a monolith bearer are broken.

You really can't go wrong with any of the primary factions in this game.

**malfred**

You really shouldn't trouble yourself with calling things
broken in the game; you'll find yourself not enjoying playing
against pretty much anything if it bothers you that much.

zekrish: you picked for the right reason.

**malfred**

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Building%20a%20Protectorate%20of%20Menoth%20Army

It's my preliminary outline before I go back in and explain
the different uses of the options. Also, I intend to include a
few army lists built using the guide.

**nikeforever22**

Jacks: Menoth excels with the light jacks. One can't go wrong with the Devout or Revenger (with Kreoss I never leave home without a Redeemer). They have multiple abilities for their cost (offensive, defensive, support) and can slam as well. I mainly use them for their reach, arc node, spell breaker, and shooty-intercepter no matter what caster I use (minus Harbinger). Furthermore, the choir and vassal just increases their productivity, while many casters can buff their stats.

Heavy Jacks: Just not worth it at 500 for the PoM. There's just so much other good stuff...

Infantry: If you're running jacks then a choir or two is mandatory. Zealots and the MB! TFG with UA makes for a solid center no matter which caster one uses. Skirmishers with UA is awesome too. Cleansers clean up infantry and are used on assasination runs.

Solos: Can't say enough about 2x Exemplars and their ability to deal with jacks.

**zekrish**

hm... nice tips everyone but i was wondering: I really like the reclaimer and reading his rules he seems good but is he worth to take in a 500 pts list?

**PistolWraithCaine**

Do you mean the reclaimer solo or the High Reclaimer warcaster?

The strength of Menoth is it's infantry. Holy Zealots, Temple Flameguard, and the Choir are very good places to start. Zealots aren't any more broken than anything else in the game *cough* centurion *cough*, that's warmachine's balance, everything is broken.

Kreoss is, imo, the best starting caster. He likes jacks, he has a balanced play style, and he has one of if not the best feat in the game.

Take the revenger and castigator as your beginning jacks and see how they play.

**zekrish**

Okey, now i have gathered tips and my own wits and made a list (please be harsh):

Protectorate of Menoth Army

1 High Exemplar Kreoss

5 Choir of Menoth
Warpriest

5 Choir of Menoth
Warpriest

8 Holy Zealots
Priest
Monolith Bearer

7 Temple Flameguard
Captain

Repenter Light Warjacks

Revenger Light Warjack

Crusader Heavy Warjack

Total Army Cost: 501

So what do ya think??

**Keldrin**

I would change the jacks to two redeemers, and drop the rest. Two redeemers loaded up with focus on the same turn that Kreoss pops his feat will kill many casters outright, or cause serious damage to the army if you so choose. I doubt the effectiveness of either the Crusader or Repenter, althought the Revenger may have a use in your list. The reason for this is your solos and units are very killy.

That gives a lot of extra points, enough to pick up Vilmon, fill out your existing units, and some other infantry/solos like Exemplars and the seneschal.

From my understanding it is universally accepted that 1 point over is wrong. With so many troops for cheap points there is no excuse to just drop a choirboy to reach the required amount of points. Also, once you get solos you'll find it easier as many of them are a point within each other and you can sub them in/out.

**PistolWraithCaine**

What keldrin is trying to get you to make is one of our viable armies called "pop and drop". What happens is that once you use Kreoss's feat you use the redeemers to which will now hit automatically and should kill the caster. I think you should instead try for a more balanced list that will introduce you to the game.

I would drop the repenter (it's terrible) and use the points to buff up the TFG unit and upgrade the crusader to a castigator. The crusader, while cheap, is not a very good jack. It is move 4 without reach so anything that wants to avoid it can Drop one of the choirs and find some points for either Vilmon or a seneschal. Make sure the one choir you have is full strength, never take a not full strength choir.

**zekrish**

OKey i will make another try:

Protectorate of Menoth Army

High Exemplar Kreoss

5 Choir of Menoth
Warpriest

5 Choir of Menoth
Warpriest

9 Holy Zealots
Priest
Monolith Bearer

9 Temple Flameguard
Captain

Revenger Light Warjack

Castigator Heavy Warjack

Exemplar Seneschal

PTS:495

Still like the idea with two choirs as it seem like they will be shoot down rather quickly.. and btw they are cheap as crap!

**nikeforever22**

5 extra points...add a wrack.

At 500 points you might want to reconsider the Castigator. You could take a Revenger and Redeemer, a Redeemer and Devout, or 2x of each. The Castigator just doesn't cut the point/effectiveness ratio.

The UA with TFG makes a solid unit just better. The TFG in shield wall, with PoM, and minifeat is strong strong strong.

**Spellbound**

For the points of a choir you can get a Paladin of the Wall, and switch the Exemplar for Vilmon I believe. Gives you a bit more killing power.

**PistolWraithCaine**

I know I just said take an ES, but looking at this list now, I think you would be better served by dropping him and taking the TFG UA. Ranked attack, auto fire, and terror take an already good unit and make it amazing. Use the mini feat on the turn you charge to keep your TFG armor 18 for the whole game. Is 5 the max # for a choir? I can't remember it's been forever since I've used one. You need to make sure they are maxed out. One with max range is better than two without it. Any spare points would probably be best used by racks.

**zekrish**

Curse you all! Stop giving diffrent tips

. But BTW by the ua you mean the standarbearer and office right??

**PistolWraithCaine**

Yep.