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Picked up the Khador starter last wed. and I just bought the Fenris mounted model today, he should be in this week. I typically play against Cryx and trollbloods, does anyone have any tactica on how to beat Cryx? and also on how to play Khador effectivly?

Also how can I use Fenris effectivly?

Thanks guys!

And anyone knows of any good lists that go with vlad and fenris please let me know!

I've not used Fenris but I played with pVlad as my main caster for a few months so I can maybe help.

If you're looking to just get Fenris out there as safe as possible then you could use Blood Of Kings and Wind Wall to make all ranged attacks against Fenris miss as long as you keep the two of them together, but if you use that a lot then you're not using Signs and Portents to help the rest of your army.

If you don't use Blood of Kings on Vlad he will not be able to keep up with Fenris, though it's a good possibility that you will outrun the rest of your army. Likewise if you're using that method, Fenris isn't running to setup a good position to get a charge. If your opponent has a lot of SHOOTING (not spells) then you have to be much more careful with Fenris as he can be shot down fairly easily. He can't be targeted by any spells, either enemy offensive spells and not buff spells from you. Keep in mind he can still be affected by spells if he's within a specific area (like Signs and Portents, or Temporal Barrier).

As far as Fenris goes, he's a lot like Vlad, a very brutal beatstick that will likely kill anything he touches. He is berserk, so make sure you don't have friendly models around him when he "goes off" to kill things or he may end up attacking your own guys.

Oh awesome you helped alot actually, I did not know that buffs with a control area worked on him still. Yeah I think youre right also, I have to not put so much on Fenris to make the army work. But do you think Fenris would play well with doom reavers accompanying him?

I've never used Doom Reavers before, but much of the same thing applies to them as him. You have to space them out near max coherency otherwise when they charge, if they start killing stuff, you can kill your own unit and that will suck for a 100 Point 6 Model unit.

Part of their thing is getting them there and you really just have to be careful with it. If your opponent has any shooting, expect it to come flying their way so you'll really have to use Terrain and those sorts of things to keep them alive. Their ARM is just high enough to keep them alive through most blasts, but not all of them (Fire for Effect Mortars, Zealots with the Monolith Bearer, etc).

As far as working with them, you can use two approaches, both of which depend on your opponents army and/or their setup.

You have to decide where Fenris will go, and as a Dragoon with his speed, on the Flanks isn't a bad idea. Your opponent will either deploy some shooty unit opposite him, or put something down to try and deal with him. You can either use this information to put the Doom Reavers (who advanced deploy) to support Fenris and either draw fire, or intercept what they have to take care of him - OR - you can put them on the opposite flank which may be weaker or just lacking ranged troops so you can get more mileage from them. This is just basic AD stuff, but in general Doom Reavers and Fenris have such a stupid amount of damage output that most smart opponents will look to deal with them ASAP.

One last thing, these guys are Abominations so they can make your own Friendly models run off the table if they're not fearless. The big unit to worry about here are Widowmakers, who don't have any UA or something to make them Fearless and can run away if you're not careful.

now thats helpful info! Thanks alot man for taking the time to reply!

What makes Fenris so deadly exactly? i know doomreavers have WM so they get additional dmg die, and im sure fen does too but does he have anything else?

Baal of Chaos wrote:now thats helpful info! Thanks alot man for taking the time to reply!

What makes Fenris so deadly exactly? i know doomreavers have WM so they get additional dmg die, and im sure fen does too but does he have anything else?

He's also a weapon master, has TWO fell blades (so that's an extra attack, which you can use after your first attack kills something which sets off berserk, and you say, fail to kill the model you hit).

He's got a higher mat, gets +2 to attack rolls on the charge. So he's extra certain to hit whatever it is that you charge, and on the charge he's rolling 13+4D6 to kill. He's also got a POW14 horse that makes impact attacks.

Oh and I forgot - while within his command radius Doom Reavers don't attack one another due to Berserk. Take the advice I put down last time and always try to keep your Doom Reavers near him, or if not use them as described above.

I can't say much more than just general advice, I haven't used him or doom reavers at all, I've only played against them. Personally I prefer the Man-o-War Drakhun more, but that's just me.

good god hes a monster lol

whats a good caster for using s list like this?

Zerkova has synergy with Doom Reavers, but I haven't used her and am not really interested after reading her. That's just my initial impression and probably will change - I've recently switch from pVlad to eIrusk as my main caster so it's hard for me to really think on others.

eButcher has Doom Reavers as an elite Cadre which helps boost their stats some, but he's a very odd caster to start with.

pVlad is an excellent caster, still is badass, and is pretty decent to start with but he has earned the reputation locally as a "crutch" and I've won games I should have lost just because Blood of Kings means Vlad can walk through what's left of someone's army and kill their caster if they don't have the tools to handle him.

eVlad is very similar, except he really is probably one of the strongest casters in the game, if not the current best.

Personally I love eIrusk but I don't know about how well he'll work with Doom Reavers and Fenris. It could probably be made to work, but in general they decimate things all on their little lonesome and don't need the caster nearby to give them boosts (and because of spell ward, most casters CAN'T give them boosts, as discussed before).

EDIT: Duh, how could I forget - they'd work really well with the Old Witch. Mostly because she works wonders with an almost all Advanced Deployment army and is just disgusting under that kind of build. Again, she's a VERY different caster than Khador is used to having so she may not be the one to start out with, but she meshes very well with Doom Reavers and other Advanced Deploy units or really fast guys like Fenris.

oh? ill have to find her stats since im sure you cant put them on here for copyright laws =[

Ok so with your advice i stuck bewteen Vlad and zerkova, i had originally thought of zerkova because at my LGS everyone says she is broken lol

She's in Legends. She has a lot of abilities built in and can do a decent number of tricks, but she's very odd. She's a spell caster but as we're Khador we don't have arc nodes. So she has to still "get up there" to do her work unlike other Spell Casting casters from different factions. She certainly isn't a beatstick caster like Vlad or the Butcher.

If you're just starting, go with pVlad, just be prepared to be made fun of for just casting Signs & Portents and Blood of Kings most of the time. To be fair, if you're just starting and have Jacks bulking out your force, you should get a lot of mileage out of both Signs & Portents as well as pVlad's feat. Get a feel for the game and the faction and then you can branch out from there. I started about a year ago and have only been playing WM/Hordes as my primary game for the past few months and the amount you still learn about things you can do keeps on going. It's a lot of fun.

There's always the failed charge to keep up with Fenris.

Since Doom Reavers advance deploy, Vlad can cast Wind Wall, target
one of the Doom Reavers with a charge, move 8 or 9" (I can't remember what
his SPD stat is), and then fail the charge. Wind Wall should still be up and you
will have gotten 3" extra movement.

True, but Fenris can run 16" to get into a better position. That lets him catch up to AD Doom Reavers.

You can keep them back to try and escort Vlad up there, but that's kind of working backwards from what he's talking about.

I'm not saying you can't do it, or that in some situations that's not a great idea. That's probably a very nice way to get Vlad up a bit, but Wind Wall means you've got to be close to start with anyway if you were going to use that to escort the DR safely.

I think Windwall really works well with Fenris, not so much on Doom Reavers. AOE's generally don't care if they miss, they just want to hit you and most competent AOE's are one's that will kill Doom Reavers. With Fenris and his higher armor + damage boxes, the scattering AOE doesn't matter nearly as much so Windwall is much more effective with him.

In general I've used Windwall to keep my Jacks, Kovnik, and Drakhun safe from shooting, or my Demo Corps - the kind of models who don't care about AOE's blast damage.

I just don't see it working well with the lower to medium armor models who by the nature of Windwall would have to be somewhat clumped up to take advantage of it - which makes them more vulnerable to AOE's.

Khador smash. Thier tactics are a lot like the Hulks. Seriously though I used to run Vlad, Fenris, Doomreavers, Behemoth, Yuri, Manhunter, Greylords, and two Mortars. With S&G watch the devastation.

If you dont have it already I would suggest purchasing the Khador faction deck. That way you can get some ideas about what more of the models in your faction do. I dont play Khador much but I do play against them a bit. Serious hurt can be made from afar with the Destroyer and WG Mortar. Ive never played against Fenris but I would say that getting him safely stuck-in would be a priority Vlad and EVad are both good support for Melee solos. Ogrun Bokur and a MoWar Kovnik can both slam to open up some charge lanes and are cheaper than your immense Jacks.

Be prepared to be outnumbered Protectorate and Cryx, out-shot by Cygnar, and Out-magic-ed by Cryx.

Good Luck and dont get discouraged