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in a ork army should you have about 50/50 of slugga and shoota or more slugga then shoota or vice versa?

Though I know this sounds really unhelpful,

It depends on your army.

well in most cases do you see more slugga then shoota or vice versa?

I see more slugga because shootas were terrible before this codex and BR comes with sluggas.

The two winning GT armies both ran 120 shoota boyz I believe.

I use more sluggas, because they're choppy, but shootas have alot of dakka so they're good too.

For my orks the only time i run slugga boys is if they have a mode of transportation, aka a Trukk.
In that case the range advantage of shootas is for all intents moot and you need as many swings as you can get. Also with trukks I will normally waaagh move right as they get out of the trukk.
Shoota boys are who I foot slog or ride in a battle wagon. The shootas in the wagon is simply because the sheer amount of shots can wipe out whole groups and also they would want to sit on an objective and simply shoot from it to hold it down.
For foot sloggers the shootas are extra shots that you can use to widdle down what ever you are charging and there are some things in the game you just don't want to get into hand to hand with (blood letters, gene stealers, chaos terminators) and you would want to frag em to zog instead

There are a lot of 'all sluggas' fans out there, and just as many 'all shootas' fans, and they will never agree with each other.

Personally I'm keen on sluggas for trukk boys, and shootas for walking boys.

though I haven't yet played a 5th edition game, from what is in the new rules on it I would suggest that sluggas be a bit better then shootas basically because they can fight up close real well. However shootas acting like a tougher grot mob with longer range and more power guns could be an excellant screen for sluggas. I would suggest to take a ratio of 3/1 sluggas to shootas mob in your army.

i personally love slugga boyz as you get more cc attacks and are cool IMHO

It really depends. Let's just think about the maths here.

Lets assume now, that both units are about to charge. The shootas will get 2 shots, then 3 attacks in the close combat, and the sluggas will get 1 shot and 4 shots in close combat. 5 each, easy huh? Well, problem is that the Orks hit more reliably in close combat than they do shooting, so the sluggas edge out this one.

The main benefit to shootas is that they can shoot twice before they get into combat thanks to the range of their guns. However, because doing this sacrifices you run move, it means shootas move slower. Additionally, you can't shoot and still charge when you Waaagh either. Also, if the combat lasts more than just the first round, then sluggas retain more attacks, as you can't utilise those shooting attacks if you're bogged down in combat.

As has been said, it depends on your army. The faster it is, the more sluggas you should have, as if you run every shooting phase, then those shootas will be wasted. But if you're a bit more cautious, then shootas can help thin out enemy units that even the orks would rather not get tangled up in. I'd go for about 1 shoota to 2 slugga mobs in most situations.

shootas go on footslogging boyz. they are slower anyway and running only makes so much difference. for the three turns prior to that you can be putting out 51 S4 AP5 shots and 3 rokkits. thats a huge amount of shooting, even if orks cant hit the broadside of a barn.

against marines:

153 shoota shots > 51 hit > 25.5 wound > 8.5 die

9 rokkits > 3 hit > 2.5 die

11 die overall

the you charge.

still against marines and assuming for convienience that they dont kill anything

90 attacks > 45 hit > 22.5 wound > 7.5 die

now slugga boyz dont get they shooting, so they are probably running so they dont get any shooting at all.

120 attacks > 60 hit > 30 wound > 10 die.

so you kill 8.5 less maries with slugga boys than you do with shoota boys when foot slogging.

when in trukks however, slugga boys are far more effective because shooting donest come into it. those earlier turns are spent zooming up in a trukk so you cant fire.

i think it is down to personall taste and game play style

shootas with big shootas. Too much dakka to ignore and still a lot of attacks in HTH

Darkness wrote:shootas with big shootas. Too much dakka to ignore and still a lot of attacks in HTH

agreed 30 shoota boyz with 3 big shootas isnt something you wanna have on the other side of the tabel.

normally just keep one mob of shootas ( about 14 to 20 or so ) to hold objectives. The rest definitely as Slugga boys. slugga boyz get really ugly taking stuff and just generally wiping people off the face fothe board, never really had anything similiar happen with shootas.

Shootas have been real effective at holding objectives, however.

The problem with the math on how many wounds you do with the shootas as you cross the board are taking casualties as well. Every turn your return on firepower would be diminishing. If you run you sluggas though you lower the amount of time taking fire. Which in my oppinion makes it safer for the boyz since ussualy they will be better then their opponents in CC. A round or two of concentrated fire can whittle down a 30 boy mob quickly. Just my oppinion. I like having a mixture of both.

Boyz, sluuga or shoota can not be relied on to win assaults anymore. No retreat seems them dying to any elite assault unit. Sluggas even out the fight. Having 4-5 units of 30 bpyz laying the Dakka down at 18" is sick

Foot-slogging Boyz Mobz should be Shoota Boyz in a "Take All Comers" list.

Mounted Boyz Mobs should always be Slugga Boyz.

Basically, when you have to close range and get the opportunity for 2 rounds of shooting (1 within 18" and 1 within 12") before assault you are better served by the Shoota. When you crash headlong into the enemy in one swoop via jump packs, infiltrate, or battle wagons and Waaagh! you are better served with the more accurate extra attack in Close Combat.

Whatever happens, just be sure to bring that Nob w/ Power Klaw along to get stuck in.

Well, I personally go for a 3:1 ratio of Sluggas to Shootas. Sluggas are still T4, so they can survive a volley of lasgun or even bolter fire. Take a mob of 20-30 with a PK nob and you're set.