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in the edition before the current ork codex, ghazkull could take 2 warbosses as bodyguards to show his status as a warlord. whatever happened, same goes for the ulthwe seer counsil who could take 5 farseers and 8 or something warlock?

I really miss them

Discuss was this a bad thing to start with?
Do you miss it?
Did any other race have something like this?
Should we bring it back?

I dont recall Ghazzie's ability to take 2 warbosses as bodyguards,but then I never used him.
I do however miss the old Orkwarboss retinue option in wich you could take up to 10 Nobz as a "bodyguard" for your boss or could add a Mek with KFF or a Maddok.
And,yes many other races had or have this similiar option,Eldar as you mentioned as well as Dark Eldar( Lord/Incubi) as well as the many "comand squad" options avaliable to IG/SOB/SM
Personaly,I'd love to see a "dedicated"Warboss retinue option,it just seems more "fluffy".

I don't miss it. Never used it.

I think the place of the uber-HQ is Apocalypse (really, Ghaz and 2 warbosses would be like 1/4 your army) - and in Apocalypse, you can do anything (like play Lost and the Damned).

theres alot of ork stuff i miss :(
cant rmember the last time i saw a lifta droppa.

dietrich, if you want a good apoc data sheet go with bloodbath
(5-12 bloodthirsters i think)

GW have really cut back on the fluff to board game ratio. i love reading the old dexs [especially the nids and orks] i know these rules really gave power gamers something abuse but hell it was always fun to play against

I miss those things too... I blame it on the childification of 40K, which I deeply regret. I NEED my ginormous armory! That was part of the building character of your army! I say boooo GW!


Whoops, lost myself to a bit of a rant there...

rant away, too miss a giant armour to choose from to really customise your HQ and the like, it brings a tear to my eye at times

what are you talking about?

you want a warboss with a nob retinue? then take a warboss and a unit of nobs and call it a retinue. you can then adda mek with a KFF and a painboy too.

eldar similarly can still have a couple of farseers and a a huge amount of warlocks that and ride around together in a serpent or on jetbikes or whatever.

in both these cases the only difference is that the IC can leave the unit and go off to do their own thing.

retinues are still around, just not in name, and require some imagination.

Yeah, I played orks back in the old codex days. Screw the old codex days. I remember Banna Wavas too. Yeah, they were that two point upgrade that nobs could take that wasn't in the ork codex.

Retinues and bodyguards don't do anything that joining a squad doesn't do now. It's not like your warboss doesn't have the authority to split off from the nob squad, and forcing him into such a squad that he can't leave never made much sense. The current codex is every bit as fluffy as the old one, in fact its much more so given the grottookas, shock attack guns, and what have you.

Only thing you don't get with orks is the ability to 'hide' a character in the unit. He can still be targeted separately in CC. If he could not leave the retinue, and it was bought for him, then he couldn't be nailed before he can swing.

makes me cry at time