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This was the final battle for this tourney, and I ended up fighting Necrons. Sorry this took me so long to write up, I was busy with other matters. This was his list IIRC:

1 Necron Lord w/Rez Orb, Veil, Staff of Light (does he have to buy that?) and Destroyer Body(!!! I'll explain later)
12 Warriors
12 Warriors
3 Destroyers
2 Heavy Destroyers

Game Setup
Deployment Mode: Spearhead
Victory Conditions: Annihilation

Turn 1, Necrons
Opponent ended up going first because I so foolishly tried to steal Initiative. He advanced one group of Warriors (with his Lord attached), and all of his Destroyers. He left one unit of Warriors behind in a building for God knows why. His Heavy Destroyers got some shots off and killed about 2 of my Sluggas.

Orks
Advanced everything I had, and made my Lootas climb a building. My Killa Kanz fired at the Heavy Destroyers and wiped out the squadron, granting me 1 Kill Point. My SAG fired at the other building and killed 2 Warriors.

Turn 2, Necrons
The Warriors killed last turn got back up. He used the Veil and got his Warriors in Rapid-Fire range, and opened fire at my Lootas, wiping them out and scoring him 1 Kill Point. He also advanced his Destroyers, shooting at the Dread and Stunning it.

Orks
Advanced everything again, leaving the SAG and the Lootas. Shootas were in range of his Lord/Warriors and opened fire, killing 2. The Warboss and his Sluggas charged the same unit, killing 7 Warriors. The Lord fought back killing 3 Sluggas and the Warriors killed 2 more. For some reason the combat was a draw.

Turn 3, Necrons
The Warriors killed in the previous turn got back up (yep, all of them, and on a 3+?). The Lord Veiled himself and his Warriors out of combat and Rapid-Fired my Sluggas, killing 6. The Destroyers fired at the Kanz, Shaking 1.

Orks
Advanced again. Kanz fired at the Destroyers, killing 1. Slugga boyz without the Boss fired at the Destroyers too, wiping them out and earning me 1 more KP. Warboss and his Sluggas charged the Lord again, killing 5 Warriors because apparently I couldn't pick out the Lord. The Lord's unit fought back and killed 3 Sluggas. Once again his Warriors seemed to be Fearless.

Turn 4, Necrons
Warriors killed in the previous turn got back up with the exception of 2. Lord Veiled out of combat again and Rapid-Fired my Sluggas again, killing 2.

Orks
Advanced once more. The Warboss and his remaining Sluggas charged the Lord again, killing 5 Warriors. The Warriors fought back and killed off the remaining Boyz. The Warboss managed to get away, so the Necrons got 1 Kill point out of it.

Turn 5
The game ended.

Game Results
Orks: Win, with 2 Kill Points
Necrons: Loss, with 2 Kill Points with the deduction of 1

Now, about that Lord of his...
Yeah he had over 100 points of wargear, the Veil and Orb were already 100, so the Destroyer Body was pushing it to 130 and further if the Staff of Light has a cost. I Immediately informed the Tourney Organizer of this, earning that player a deduction in points (*mumble mumble* should have gotten disqualified *mumble mumble*).

I know this player, and he has been cheating me ever since I started playing 40k, with tricks such as:

- Making me deploy on the short table edge
- Auto-hit Monolith Weapons that auto-pen vehicles
- 3+ to succeed on Necron Warrior "We'll be Back!" rolls
- Overpriced Necron Lord
- No Scatter when Deep Striking (unless the Veil doesn't scatter?)
- Rapid-Firing after Deep Striking

And an assload of others. I have vowed not to play this guy again until he learns to stop cheating.

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:
Now, about that Lord of his...
Yeah he had over 100 points of wargear, the Veil and Orb were already 100, so the Destroyer Body was pushing it to 130 and further if the Staff of Light has a cost. I Immediately informed the Tourney Organizer of this, earning that player a deduction in points (*mumble mumble* should have gotten disqualified *mumble mumble*).

I know this player, and he has been cheating me ever since I started playing 40k, with tricks such as:

- Making me deploy on the short table edge
- Auto-hit Monolith Weapons that auto-pen vehicles
- 3+ to succeed on Necron Warrior "We'll be Back!" rolls
- Overpriced Necron Lord
- No Scatter when Deep Striking (unless the Veil doesn't scatter?)
- Rapid-Firing after Deep Striking

And an assload of others. I have vowed not to play this guy again until he learns to stop cheating.

The Staff of Light doesn't count towards his limit (Lord gets one by default, actually), according to the Codex, but yes, he was way over the 100 point wargear limit. A Warscythe is an upgrade replacement for the Lord's Staff of Light.

Other things:

- Making me deploy on the short table edge
- Auto-hit Monolith Weapons that auto-pen vehicles
- 3+ to succeed on Necron Warrior "We'll be Back!" rolls
- Overpriced Necron Lord

He's definitely in the wrong in these... no scenario makes you deploy on the Short Table Edge, the Monolith has nothing that auto-hits or auto-pens (The closest is the Ordnance blast Particle Whip, which is 24 inch, Str 9, ap 3), nothing I know of lets Necron Warriors roll anything better than a 4+ on the WBB rolls... and the Lord is just plain blatant...

- No Scatter when Deep Striking (unless the Veil doesn't scatter?)

The Veil scatters, it just lets him Deep Strike the Lord and one unit within 6 inches of the Lord, again according to the Codex.

- Rapid-Firing after Deep Striking

Actually, according to the BRB, you can shoot after Deep Striking, including Rapid-Firing, or even Run! if you wanted to, though Deep Striking units cannot launch an assault. So he is correct in that...

Other discrepancies:

Advanced everything again, leaving the SAG and the Lootas. Shootas were in range of his Lord/Warriors and opened fire, killing 2. The Warboss and his Sluggas charged the same unit, killing 7 Warriors. The Lord fought back killing 3 Sluggas and the Warriors killed 2 more. For some reason the combat was a draw

This seems wrong... he lost the combat by 2 wounds, so he'd have to take a Leadership Check at Ld 8 (The Lord or Warriors are not fearless, that is just plain BS). If he passed, then the combat is a draw.

Advanced again. Kanz fired at the Destroyers, killing 1. Slugga boyz without the Boss fired at the Destroyers too, wiping them out and earning me 1 more KP. Warboss and his Sluggas charged the Lord again, killing 5 Warriors because apparently I couldn't pick out the Lord. The Lord's unit fought back and killed 3 Sluggas. Once again his Warriors seemed to be Fearless.

This is just plain wrong. The Necron Lord is an IC, so if you have models in base contact with him, you can direct attacks against him just like any other IC. And again, Warriors or Lords are not fearless, they just have Ld 10.

Overall, kudos for pulling a win against such a poor opponent who is so obviously cheating (I suppose to make up for his complete lack of command ability).

Maybe he was palying an army based on the next codex, which he got when he travelled to the future in his FRIGGIN" TARDIS!!! Really, was he named the Doctor, the Master or the Rani?

Egads...I'm ashamed that a fellow Necron player would stoop to such tactics, and on a regular basis too. Our army can be scary enough without having to do all that sorts of crap.

Congrats on a win against such odds. And you're right, this guy should've been disqualified. not just hit for one KP.

WBB does get a buff on rolls in apocalypse if you include a pylon of some sort...but i think we can gather that this was NOT an apocalypse game. Everyone else has already mentioned the problems, so once again...well done on the win against a crappy cheater

Lukus83 wrote:WBB does get a buff on rolls in apocalypse if you include a pylon of some sort...

So in order to get a better WBB roll they need to "Construct additional pylons."

GhostRecon wrote:- Rapid-Firing after Deep Striking

Actually, according to the BRB, you can shoot after Deep Striking, including Rapid-Firing, or even Run! if you wanted to, though Deep Striking units cannot launch an assault. So he is correct in that...

But the rulebook says that you cannot Rapid-Fire and move in the same turn, and a unit that comes out of Deep-Strike counts as moving in the Movement phase.

And about those Ld checks in the combats he should have lost, IIRC he did NOT take them.

talthar wrote:Maybe he was playing an army based on the next codex, which he got when he travelled to the future in his FRIGGIN" TARDIS!!! Really, was he named the Doctor, the Master or the Rani?

I'm fairly certain he wishes that he had those titles

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:But the rulebook says that you cannot Rapid-Fire and move in the same turn, and a unit that comes out of Deep-Strike counts as moving in the Movement phase.

ummm, no it doesn't. you can move and rapid fire all day out to 12 inches.
you are correct that you count as moving when you deep strike.

usernamesareannoying wrote:

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:But the rulebook says that you cannot Rapid-Fire and move in the same turn, and a unit that comes out of Deep-Strike counts as moving in the Movement phase.

ummm, no it doesn't. you can move and rapid fire all day out to 12 inches.

My bad, it does say that.

so who won the tourney?

smreferee wrote:so who won the tourney?

A guy who fielded this massive Tyranid horde. Covered half the table basically. I wasn't surprised when he won lol.