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Made in za
Dakka Veteran






Cape Town, South Africa

HI everyone

please may i get some help with and army list that i am making,
it is one for updated codex 5th ed 40k ELDAR,
i have made, i counted, 17 proper eldar army lists; trying differant tactics
but that was all just theoryhammer, so i need help deciding which one to persue,
and i was hoping some insight could be poured here to help me out?

I have played 40k for 3 years now and have played 2 or 3 armies over that course,
i am no tournament winning master,
but i'm not so much of a 500 point begginer either
and i have studied the Eldar codex alot but havn't got much craftworld experiance,
so before i go buy my whole army, i just want to make sure that my army works well;
not only to my theories, but also according to a tried and tested battle hardened pro

This list is my top one, it incorperates basically all my favourite units (and is 1500 points)

Could you guys please gve me suggestions as to what sounds good and what i should scratch?
THANKS A MILLION
xoxoxo

HQ - Avatar -155

HQ - Farseer - Doom,Fortune, Spirit Stones - 130 (i will be attaching him to the Bashees)

Elites - Striking Scorpions -7-exarch, scorpion's claw, salker, shadowstrike - 180

Elites - Harlequins -8- shadowseer, 7harlequins kisses - 206

Elites - Howling Banshees -8- exarch, execuitioner - 150
- Waveserpent Transport - shuriken cannons, star engines, spirit stones - 125

Troops - Dire Avengers -10- exarch, 2 shuriken catapults, bladestorm - 152

Troops - Rangers -5- 95

Troops - Gaurdians -10- scatter laser - 95

Heavy - Wraithlord - 2 flamers, brightlance, wraithsword - 140

Heavy - War Warlker - 2 brightlances - 90

ANY SUGGESTIONS?
PLEASE


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Made in au
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Welcome to dakka.

List the army list in the Army Lists forum... there is a huge amount of traffic there compared to here, you will get much more help.

Not much help on the eldar though from me...


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Well I kind of moved near Toronto, actually.

Welcome to dakka!

Stupid question but what flag is that.

Besides moving it to the army lists forum it looks like a cool list. You could change somethings but you could also keep it the same. Pathfinders instead of Rangers. EML on the Heavy Support. Full squads in Elite. But the list is definately workable as is.

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Made in au
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YO DAKKA DAKKA!

South African. Can't you tell from the 'I'm making it up as I go along' accent?

Welcome to Dakka!
   
Made in za
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Cape Town, South Africa

Hahahaha thanks guys

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Resourceful Gutterscum






First off, your playing the wrong army. Play tau.

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or daemon hunters
Eldar are one of the hardest armies to play in my opinion.

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oh and welcome to dakka!

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but for eldar i would suggest some more wave serpents.
WIth the eldar mobility is your greatest asset. and when you have star engines and you skip shooting and go flat out and all that you can travel 36 inches i think it is.

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Made in za
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Cape Town, South Africa

thanks i have tau aswell
maybe scrap the pathfinders for serpent for the DA?

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that could probably work. It' would be a cool conversion type thing.

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Made in za
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Cape Town, South Africa

Good Idea thanks..
what abot a fire prism,
or seer council?

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no fire prism. NO FIRE PRISM. It's so useless, that thing where you have to have sight to all the other fire prisms and the target. NO. don't do it. It is waste of points, trust me i've tried it and regreted it.
you can spend the points elsewhere.

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I also see that your harlequins have the harlequins kiss. the fluff for it is nice but in games i just doesn't really work that well. I've tried it and it sounds like a sure fire awesome weapon thing but truth: it's not.

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Made in za
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Cape Town, South Africa

Thanks
and seer council?
people have suggested 3 war walker outflanking.. does it work?

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yeah the war walkers are good. not much help on the seer council though the're nice for fluff but i don't like them. lots of people like em though so. . . use if you like em.

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Made in za
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Cape Town, South Africa

But with the walkers..
the outflank is unpredictable, the are made of tissue and are one-dimentional...
is it really worth the points?

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I like it . . . again it all depends on your preference. and one of the hard things about eldar id that you have to have really good timing for everything.

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Try this article:

Tactica: Eldar

Then try searching the "40K Army Lists" thread for Eldar lists and check out the relevant discussion.

That's your best bet for a foundation on what to do with the units you've got.
   
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Executing Exarch






Odenton, MD

I start by going through your list one unit at a time and making comments about each choice, after that I will post the list I would run, with minimal changes to your model selection ( if you want more help post every eldar model you own and I will better be able to suggest a list.) Then I will wrap up with suggestions on tactics, and what models to buy if you don't own them.


HQ - Avatar -155

Your off to a Great start, the only reason not to take him is if you plan on using a lot of transports

HQ - Farseer - Doom,Fortune, Spirit Stones - 130 (i will be attaching him to the Bashees)

Every eldar list should have a Farseer in it. But IMO you need to have runs of Warding in the current meta game. If only to disrupt a Lash or two.

Elites - Striking Scorpions -7-exarch, scorpion's claw, salker, shadowstrike - 180

Let me say that I was not a huge fan of the scorps, but with the new flanking and cover rules they have earned a place in the new eldar army list. But just like the Avatar in a list lacking in a lot of footsloggers they are hardly worth the points.

Elites - Harlequins -8- shadowseer, 7harlequins kisses - 206

With the nerfing of rending harlies have lost a lot of there appeal. If you are going to take them they need to be in a Transport of with a shadowseer like you have them now. I prefer the shadow seer in a unit of 10, I place them in front of my advancing line to give everyone behind them a +4 cover saves, and once I get to about 15" I back them off so that the unit that they are shielding gives them a +4 cover save and they can act as a counter charge.

Elites - Howling Banshees -8- exarch, execuitioner - 150

A Terrible choice, stick them on a shelf and wait for a new codex. With 3 str they have to hard of a time wounding Orks, Plague Marines, Nidzilla, SM, Deamon, ect.... in short they are overpriced and under preforming. Also they fill a valuable Elite spot.


- Waveserpent Transport - shuriken cannons, star engines, spirit stones - 125

Huzzah! you found the best model in the entire codex. With the change in rules for moving flat out, and the abundance of cover saves you should never have a situation were you don't get a +4 Save. Also with the change in vehicle damage charts and energy field the chance of someone scoring a hit that can destroy it are slim to none. Always take Spirit Stones! Always! I can't think of a reason to add star engines to a fast skimmer. Perhaps you mean Vectored engines, they are a decent choice.

Oh and another thing, Farseers can cast powers that don't need LoS from inside the WS, and they measure from the hull so it effectively increase your range by a couple inches in addition to protecting your HQ.

Troops - Dire Avengers -10- exarch, 2 shuriken catapults, bladestorm - 152

Huzzah Again! Solid gold, I prefer PW and Shimmer shield, but double cat is still a good choice. I find that the +5 inv save really comes in handy to tie up there unit until my counter assault can get there.

Troops - Rangers -5- 95

There is no reason to ever take rangers, and not upgrade to pathfinders. Pathfinders are the ultimate in objective holding. +2 cover save..... do I have to say more?

Troops - Gaurdians -10- scatter laser - 95

Bread and butter. Add a Warlock with embolden to make sure then don't run and also to keep the wraithlords from acting stupid.

Heavy - Wraithlord - 2 flamers, brightlance, wraithsword - 140

UGhghhhhhhh, this type of configuration hurts my brain..... Wraith swords look cool, but nothing else, Never Ever, Ever, Ever, use one. Ever! on a side note why would you add a Melee weapon to a unit with 36" range? Always take 2 x flamers on every wraithlord you have. There are only 3 viable options for wraithlords:

BL and EML
Shuriken Cannon and Scatter
SC and Scatter

Thats it... there are no other choices.


Heavy - War Warlker - 2 brightlances - 90

90 points on a 10 armor walker! change it to 2 x scatter laser, its the only way to go with WW




Well that wasn't to painful. Ok here's the list that I would run with with the models you listed and a couple changes:

HQ:

Farseer, Doom, fortune, Spirit Stones, rune of warding (he rides in the WS) 145


Elites:

8 x Harlies, shadow seer, 5 x kisses 194

7 x Striking scorps, exarch w/ claw Shadowstrike, stalker 180

Troops:
10 x DA, Exarch PW Shimmer, Bladestorm,
Wave Serpent TL Shuricannon, Spirit Stones, V. Engine 287

10 Guardians w/ scatter, warlock w/ embolden and Spear (extra point filler) 128

10 Guardians w/ scatter, 95

5 Pathfinders 120

Heavy:

2 x Wraithlord BL and EML 310

1 x WW w/ 2 x scatter 60

Total 1499

I am assuming you have an extra squad of guardians and a warlock ( I figure if you have anything extra that would be it)


Basic Idea is to set the guardians with the warlock in a good firing position and let them guard the wraithlords while they take out the tanks. Stick your WW in cover and don't ever move him, use him to take out light armour or units with high toughness. Move the Wave serpent flat out along the back edge of your board unless there is a unit that is isolated from your opponents main force. Another good idea is to move flat out and end your move blocking LoS for your Harlies (if they are under 15" to the enemy) or your infiltrated Scorpions then fortune the WS so that it can reroll its +4 cover saves. Be happy if they waste there shots on it. The extra unit of guardians is to take objectives that the pathfinders can't reach.


I would say that this list of models is almost mandatory:

2-3 more wave serpents
6 Fire dragons, The exarch is optional
1-2 more units of DAs

Optional models that would make your list better,

1 x mounted farseer
10 x Warlocks on Bikes
2 WW (so you can field a whole unit)
2 Fire Prisms ( if you want to run a Mech Army)


ok I am tired of typing I will post more later

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Made in za
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Cape Town, South Africa

okay thanks ill get Into that !

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Bump since that edit took forever to write.
   
 
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