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I get the impression that the Grim Golem oversseer is resin because there not enough variety in a Grim Golem unit to make it worthwhile producing an attachment boxset.

Normally you can use a regular Overseer since most of the times you have one left over. The Resin one is called mainly Grim because the did not get one up to date and they wanted to fix it before the new boxes.

What we need is not so much more resin but more cards, in particular generic officers in vehicles. You can have from sgt to colonel or equivalent in some infantry squads, but you cannot have a strider commander unless it is a tooled up special character. Stark is great but he can be a crutch if I use him in every game. I would like to see various vehicles get various officers, you dont have to open up every officer for every vehicle, just a good mix. so you could get a Wraith Golgoth omicron, an Incubus Golgoth Sigma and a Poltergeist Golgoth Delta as alternate force leaders, not heroes just leaders.

There is a reason officers are limited to certain AFV. Ther will be some opening up with heros and mercenaries, but during playtesting in the past it did not turn out as a good idea to have all kinds of officers in all kinds aof AFV.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:

I get the impression that the Grim Golem oversseer is resin because there not enough variety in a Grim Golem unit to make it worthwhile producing an attachment boxset.

Normally you can use a regular Overseer since most of the times you have one left over. The Resin one is called mainly Grim because the did not get one up to date and they wanted to fix it before the new boxes.

I dont understand, you mean sub a Grim goelm for the overseer, use a Storm golem overseer or convert one up? Where is the one left over.

If you have a cheap way of me finding overseers other than using multiple Atis models (which is too obvious and potentially confusing IMHO) I would be interested in hearing it.

i am reluctant to buy a model in resin with such delicate components like thin blades everywhere. Sure its a nice model, but I doubt it is a viable gaming piece and I would want to field her.

If you transport a resin model like you would a metal one there is no problem with it being damaged. Resin is quite sturdy if not dropped from table level.

With my normal lists I normally have at least one Overseer I don´t need (normally I buy 1 unit box and the fitting attch.) since I never include all possible infantry variants in a normla list. Besides you normally use one Grim Golem unit together with Atis, this way one Grim Unit is already taken care of.

This tip is for Therian ease of purchase

Therians have three special weapons:
Flamers
Nucleus Guns
Sonic Guns

The current attachment boxes have:
Storm have an Overseer, 2 Sonic Guns and 2 Flamers and an extra nano blaster/no relay?(I dont know why)
Assault have an Overseer, 2 Nucleus, 3 Flamers
Grim got... nothing. There isn't one yet.

For the cheapest purchase,
If you are buying Op Damocles sets, you do not need to purchase the Storm golem Attachment box because you will have PLENTY of sonic guns.
Purchasing the Assault Attachment would be the way to go. You finish up your assault golems unit with nucleus guns and have 3 flamers for either storms or grims.

Its hard to tell which overseer is which on a quick glance. The only difference is the gun hand and it is different from the normal gun used by the rest of the group. I do not think anyone would really care if you use an Assualt Overseer miniature for a Storm Overseer. Even the grim overseer is the same pose, only with a second set of reaper blades.

I personally use Urash minatures for my storm overseers and then a normal overseer miniature as my CC because he is taller and stands out.

In am still, not with you Duncan.

But let us look at my current and projected list and we will see from there, practical rathedr than theory.

I have two overseers and four full storm golem units.

I am in the process of adding a fifth full Storm golem unit, another Overseer, Urash, and enough grim golems to make two large squads. Most of these are from bitz.

Excess bitz will make my Re-assembler team aka golem medics. I am thinking about the field hiospital, currently my head is going along the lines of gel air freshener container reconditoned into a monster nanogenerator, probably with a pad in front of it. Certainly seems to make more sense than ONI contractors.

Later I will buy Atis, she is no longer discounted so I am under no time pressure to buy her. I am thinking buying two actually.

Some points and questions.

1. Grim golem unit size. My grim golems will be full sized but with one flamer, I can do this in easy At-43 but I wonder if i can do this in the RAW. The Therian book shows minimum squads and maximum squads with three weapons and excess fighters, presumably tied to officers. I want nine grim golems with only one unfit for close combat with Atis. Burny is nice, but her squad needs double slice, besides lots of heavy weapons in a close assault squad doesnt look good.

My other grim golem team will be eight including the overseer, and thus can only have one flamer anyway. I might do this with Atis to keep her squad visibly legal.

Easy At-43 aside, can I do this?

2. Atisx2. In case you ware wondering the second Atis is going to be chopped up and rebuilt (probably in the attic during a thunderstorm) with parts from the new storm golem overseer. The result is an 'Atis' with a sonic gun for my senior storm golem overseer, for whwen I want an infantry Omega and a plastic golem with two scissorhands to fit as the Grim Golem overseer to back up Atis. If this looks unworkable or insuffuiciently impressive I will pick up a blister of necron Flayed Ones and use their claws.

3. Urash. Is the model any bigger than a standard golem, he looks rather plain. Is he overseer size, he doesnt look overseer shape?

4. Correct number of overseers. With relays everywhere there is little point in too many Alphas except to have a ready supply of bodies to hack. But Atis and urash are for swap outs as is the 'atis' Storm Golem Omega. so this leave me with two storm golem overseers, and one Grim golem overseer in a potentially 8k list. Wasteful or good backup? yes in small games the vast majority will be shelved, along with the second Baal, most of my Wraith Golgoths, half the Goliaths etc.

Easy AT ha bugs and this is one of them, full units have 3 special weapons.

Urash is normal size.

Dude, it is totally worth getting the Storm Golem Attachment boxes. For one, they're dirt cheap right now. For another, with Frostbite rules and support unit options, it pays to have the extra special weapons lying around.

One trick is to take cheap-as-hell units just to fill slots in platoons so that you can spend the real points on the units you *really* want on the table. So, if you're trying to spam AFV's and Type *** infantry, you just toss support units into the relevant slots and then you have a few, bare-bones max size infantry units specifically-intended to take fire and hold objectives. Your opponent has a choice - shoot at the infantry units holding the objectives and leave the armed-to-the-teeth support units unmolested, or shoot at the support units and have to take longer to kill the infantry squads they really need to worry about.

In smaller-point games, this is a great way to finish up one platoon so that you can open up another one and get those last few choice units you really want into the army, within your points limit.

cairnius I have two attachment boxes already, plus the eight sonic guns from Damocles. I was able to return to Miniatures Market in time for the bitz restock today

I bought a mini order of golem overseer at $3 and a lot of storm golems at 25c each. The overseer is for assault golems but I will convert him up usijng one of the storm golem guns.

Some storm golems are going to be butchered and rebuilt as grim golems on a 1 for 2 basis, cheap at the pirce. I only need to sever below the elbow and again at the claw itself to make a left claw arm. Voila a grim golem for 50c! its soft plastic and I am good at pinning so the process works.

Three, maybe six of the mangled storm golems will have extra weapon arms added, a reverse job no additonal wastage. The barrels will be cut down and some form of attachment put in its place possibly a prong or random tool. These will be my medic teams. There will be plenty of dissembled storm golems left over for scenery, especially as 'patients' for the Re-assembers bases. One for every grim golem made mius the number of medics made, with plenty more untouched left over for more storm golem units. I bought 30 of the blighters. A side effect of this process is that I get to use up all the unwanted relay golems in the conversions.

Yes I will have enough Storm golems to give full squads or lots of little squads and really boost my numbers. I like the idea of bringing small squads into reinforcements from reserves and leaving them there to generate LP withotu be shot at and be a mobile reserve to bring in where and when needed.