Are some Gods acctualy the same?

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**kaun666**

I know I'm opening a BIG bucket of highly tempered worms here but I've been thinking; are all these different gods necessarily different beings? Or are they different names and view points of the same beings. Especially if we are speaking in the context of the ork gods Gork and Mork (god of killing face to face, and god of killing sneaky like). Do these spiritual beings exist due to the ork's believe in them? Because Kharn (sp?) gets power from the mindless slaughter, and Gork's existence is only loosely portrayed in some orky stuff, then couldn't Gork and Kharn be the same god? (if so then Kharn must just not care about the orks very much, or at least not have very much power over for some odd reason). Are there really THAT MANY gods of war?

**vodo40k**

Well in my opinion gork is the same as kharn and mork is the same as the eldar laughing god. If i really wanted to get into it I would say that they are the two most powerful surviving old ones.

**Lord of battles**

Do you mean Khorne?

**Orkeosaurus**

Gork and Khorne aren't the same god. There's just a lot of violence in 40k.

ORKS AND CHAOS
There is no predilection for Chaos among the Orks; indeed, Orks are much less likely to turn to Chaos than Humans or other races. This is due to the fact that the Ork race is relatively stable and content. There is little psychic stress or angst among the Orks, which leaves virtually no avenue through which Chaos can invade their minds. Some races confuse Orks as being evil and thus synonymous with Chaos. This is a misunderstanding on their part, however.
Orks are not inherently evil; neither is Chaos. Likewise, Orks do not naturally or consistently affiliate with the forces of Chaos. Orks simply live by the crude survival-of-the fittest principles that pervade the universe. Warlike civilizations, such as that of the Orks, simply reflect these survivalist principles all the more. By the same token, Chaos is neither good nor evil; it simply mirrors the survivalist emotions of intelligent beings in the real universe. Thus, predatory powers of Chaos, be they deities or daemons, exist because living things generate these emotions.
By analogy, there are gargantuan Ork powers in the warp -powers that are the reflections of the Orks' cheerfully irresponsible and warlike nature. At the same time, it is possible for Orks to overindulge their taste for militarism and bloodshed, which will ultimately lead them to Khorne. Indeed, Khorne does feed on these aspects of Orkish character; this shows in the very face of Khorne, which has markedly Orkish aspects.
Most of their enemies would agree that Orks lack many of the finer qualities found in the various races of the universe. Not surprisingly, Orks have no second thoughts about fighting alongside servants of Chaos, especially in return for pay or loot. Orks are not easily impressed by Chaos, since a typical Ork raider is likely to be exposed to manifestations of Chaos as he rampages about the less orderly parts of the galaxy. He is also less liable to be tempted by lure of Chaos power and sell his soul than many other races. This is in contrast to the unfortunate Humans who live in ratholes of hive worlds or desperately trying to build civilizations in inhospitable environments. These suffer from the stress of day-to-day survival. They become suspicious of the unknown and begin to look inwardly to find irrational explanations for their problems and misfortunes.

**vodo40k**

No i mean the Eldar god of war kharn, like an avatar is a short name for "avatar of kharn" (EDIT: sorry! I looked, the god is khaine not kharn)

**Manchu**

Khaine. You're talking about Khaine. Kharn was a prominent World Eater Space Marine and lieutenant to Angron. He is now something of an independent agent although he was involved with Abaddon's Thirteenth Black Crusade.

As to your question, I think Gork and Mork less actual beings (like the Chaos "gods") than Ork ways of describing their approaches to combat. Cf. Tau Mont-ka and Kauyon. Whether or not the Eldar gods are actual beings or mythological symbols is debatable.

**kaun666**

Orks are much less likely to turn to Chaos than Humans or other races. This is due to the fact that the Ork race is relatively stable and content. There is little psychic stress or angst among the Orks, which leaves virtually no avenue through which Chaos can invade their minds.

See I think that this can SUPPORT the idea that they are the same god. Orks worship Gork/Khorne. Khorne gains power from such violence, but cannot take over the orks because they are content and stable. This is why the orks aren't all chaos-y and stuff. Thats my argument

**Beastmaster**

Gork/Khorne are similar , but they are not the same, and I can see your confusion about there being many different gods. So to put it into better context and explain myself, think of it this way. If you look at human history in the ancient times(BTW, not related to 40k) the greeks believed in ares, their war god, and the point is that many different civilizations had there own war gods, it doesn't mean that they are the same, it just means that they are several different gods that stood for the same purpose in there religion.

**kaun666**

that's hard to compare for two reasons, one the Roman God Mars was actually a different translation of the exact same war god, and 2 this gods in 40k exist to a point of being separate entities, opposed to written translations. Think of this... How does any of the other races know that Gork exists?

**Orkeosaurus**

Gods do intersect with each other; Khaine was torn apart by intersecting with Khorne and Slaanesh too much.

Warp gods are concepts, so in that sense they aren't people so much as they are personifications of emotions, or character traits, or archetypes.

However, with emotions you see the difference between Gork and Khorne; humans need a reason to go to war. Hate, anger, martial pride, desire for dominance, etc. Orks, however, are naturally inclined to fight. They don't need a motivation, as war is the default state for them, and peace is only a necessary evil that stands in the way of more Waaaghin'.

In that respect, Gork and Khorne are markedly different, because while they're both war gods, they embody entirely different motivations for war, and in the end it's the emotions and motive that form the god.

I think all of the gods intersect in some manner, and Khorne and Gork may have more in common than many other pairs of gods, but that can still put them far away from being the same entity.

**Lukus83**

My line of thinking is pretty much the same as Orkeosaurus. The Gods are all different because they are representative of different races thoughts, beliefs and ideals.

**Dakkadood**

Well for once, there is fluff about Gork and Mork beating up Khorne once and looting something from his skull throne.

**iamthecougar**

OK i need to read the Gork and Mork mugging Khorne fluff, that just sounds too good to pass up.

A better example of there being multiple gods for different things would be Aries/Mars the greco roman god of war, and Seth the Egyptian god of war, or Vulcan the greco roman god of fire and Loki the norse god of fire among other things but still fire.