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Wraith






Milton, WI

Hey,
Just had a 500pt game w Cryx vs Cygnar.
I've only got a few games, same with my opponent.
So I have questions on how Combined attacks work.

I had denny, 2 wretches, a ripper, slayer, skarlock, Pwraith, 9 Revenants and Rengrave
He had Nemo, Junior, Hunter, Ironclad, Lancer, Sword Knights, and Longgunners.

He never used the CRA w the gunners, cuz he wanted to shoot more than once.
His interpretation was that you can make one CRA with the unit, and that is all their shooting.
I was under the impression any combo of 2 or more can CRA.
But even here, how does it work when they get 2 shots each?
Say 1,2,3 are gunners. can 1 shoot, then CRA his 2nd with 2? Then 2 use his 2nd shot w/ 3?
I read the stuff on the PP forums, but it spiralled quickly out of my comprehension.

I ended up w a win cuz he failed the terror check from Rengrave.
I had Rengrave and 10 revenants that could not be destroyed chasing the sword knights right into Nemo's face.
But I felt like he hamstrung himself by not using the CRA shooting.
It didn't help that he targetted Rengrave instead of Revenants.
He's got higher DEF, and gets to throw a pirate under the bus if he gets killed.

Also, do all magic spells that are offensive ignore Stealth?
We weren't sure so that is how we played it.

It was the first game I got Rengrave's Reign of Terror to go off, since everyone else takes Fearless.

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Widowmaker






Chicago

First, the easy one. Stealth says all attacks from greater than 5" away automatically miss. This includes offensive spells as they are attacks. Some do ignore Stealth, but that will be listed in their special rules.

CRAs can be performed with how ever many models you feel like as long as they are in open formation with each other and the target is in range for all shooters participating. Also, you are free to combine one model's first shot with another model's second shot. Just remember that a model can never contribute more than one shot to a CRA. With Longgunners you can do two CRAs at +10/+10, or ten CRAs at +2/+2, or even four at +3/+3 and two at +4/+4.

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Wraith






Milton, WI

Thanks, will discuss it next time.

I assume that the CMA of the swordknights would work the same way?

Never got to it as they failed the terror check.

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Widowmaker






Chicago

Sword Knights don't have CMA.

But consider Idrians + UA. They have both CMA and Sword Master. They work the same way as Longgunners using CRA except that melee attacks provide bonuses that can be exploited. The technique is called "waterfalling" and is best explained via an example. The model I list first is the one performing the attack.

Idrians charge something.

Idrian A attacks by himself.

Idrian B combines with Idrian A. The attack is at +2/+4 boosted (+2 from CMA, +2 from Brutal Charge, boosted from charging). All attacks will be like this until the very end.

Idrian C combines with Idrian B.

Idrian D combines with Idrian C.

Idrian E combines with Idrian D. And so on.

Doing this, you basically sacrifice your second attacks for +2/+2 on nearly all of your charge attacks. It's a confusing concept to be sure, but very powerful when done correctly. Even more confusing is when Legion Striders+UA with Epic Lylyth's feat waterfall.

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Yellin' Yoof on a Scooter






I was always under the impression that Long Gunners could CRA twice per grouping if they give up their movement and use Dual shot, someone correct me if I'm wrong (don't have my remix book in front of me)

EDIT: Also, that waterfall thing is mean >< ow.

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Widowmaker






Chicago

They can. I assume this is what confused you.

Just remember that a model can never contribute more than one shot to a CRA.


The second shot combines into a different CRA. How else do you think they get two CRAs at +10/+10, etc.?

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