Retribution Spoilers

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**oomiestompa**

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Adeptis Rahn – Warcaster
Focus 8.
Feat: +2 range to non channeled spells at magic attack and damage rolls are boosted to everyone in ctrl.
+2 def again range attack andno blast damage. Beat Back, Critical Smite, Reach, Magic Weapon
Spells
Chain Blast – 3″ AOE that rolls an addition 3″ aoe deviation.
Force Blast – Target battlegroup model. Enemeys are pushed 4″ directly away.
Force Field – Self – doesn’t suffer b last or collateral damage, no KD, if an AOE attack deviates you choose the direction.
Force Hammer – Slams non incorporeal modesl d6″a and suffers pow 12.
Polarity Sheild – Like the cent.
Telekenisis – Like ehaley.

Ravyn, Eternal Light
Foc 6
Feat: Fire Storm – Models in CTRL gain boosted attack rolls and swift hunter.
Gunfighter, Quick Work (after destroying model with melee can make a range), Swift Hunter, Virtuoso, Magi Weapon, Blaster (may spend a focus to turn into AOE), Thresher.
Spells
Eliminator
Locomotion
Snipe
Veil of Mists – 4″ AOE cloud that doesn’t affect friend models, give friendly pathfinder, move through obstructions while in it
Vortex of Destruction – Damage rolls against enemy modes in SELF range are automatically boosted.
Invictor UA
Officer – CRA, Officer, Defensive Line, Extended Fire (+4 RNG) mini feat.
Flank. Granted Combine Arms. If attack misses for a CRA it can reroll that attack once.
Standard Bearer – Defensive Line.

Sentinel UA
Officer – Officer, Drive: Pronto, Granted Vengeance (bane knights)
Standard Bearer – Defensive line

Mage Hunters Strike Force
CMA, Pathfinder, Stealth, Arcane Assassin and Jack Hunter (Additional die to melee and range damage rolls against jack) perfect for Kaelyss. Mage Hunters are rat 6 with range 12 guns. Light jacks beware PoW 10 shots with 3d6. Warcaster beware if it’s backlashed. POW 9 +4D6 if they charge a jack. If they CRA it it would pack a big punch against a heavy.
Mage Hunter Strike Force UA
Mage Hunter UA gives them AD and Phantom Seeker.

Dawnguard Destors (Cav unit)
Gun fighter, Dual Shot, Unyielding (+2 arm while engaged)

Dawnguard Destor Than (cav solo)
Commander, Gunfighter, Unyeilding, Virtuoso (Holt), Mulit-fire (like esorsha’s gun)
Stormfall Archers
Range 12 power 12 3 inche AOE weapons, May choose on of the following attacks (doesn’t have to be as a whole).Brutal Shot, Snipe, Star Strike – no damage but suffers fire.
House of Shyeel Magister
Magic Ability 7, Force Bolt – POW 10 RNG 10 pushes D3″, Whip Snap – RNG 6 POW 12 friend model within 3″ can advance up to 3″, Beat Back, Combo Smite
Mage Hunter Assassin
AD, Pathfinder, Stealth, Arcane Assassin, Weapon Master, Chain Strike (4″ melee during activation), Chain Weapon, Decapitation (Damage is double, no tough roll)
Ghost Sniper
Pathfinder, Stealth, Camouflage, Swift Hunter (elylyth), Deadly Shot (like snipe but 3 points of damage)

Souless Escort
Attachment any Retribution Unit, Disbinding (enemy upkeep spells expire), Flank, Mage Static (-5 range to magic attacks agianst this unit) Souless, Tag Along (does not gain unit abilities except AD)
Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen
Dragoon, Rapid Strike (one additional attack), Righteous Fury (+2 arm when friendly faction models within command are destroyed), Magic Weapon, Reach, Weapon Master, Blessed.
Nayl
AD, Fearless, Stealth, Souless, Arcane Annihilation (when it destroys a model, enemy models within 8″ lose focus and fury points and cannot cast spells, channel or use animi), Spell Ward. Magic Weapon, Reach.
Houseguard Halberdiers
CMA, Ranked Attacks, Shield Wall, Reach, Brutal Charge, Set Defense
Houseguard Halberdiers UA
CMA, Officer, Granted: Reform (after completing action models can move 3″) Ranked Attacks, Team Effort (Once per game +2 attack adn damage rolls again enemy models in melee range of another model in unit), Standard Bearer, Reach, Brutal Charge Set Defense
Houseguard Riflemen
CRA, Ranked Attacks. Rang 14 power 10.
Houseguard Riflemen UA
CRA, Officer. Granted: War Tempered (can make CRA models in melee), Ranked Attacks, Whites of Their Eyes (mini feat, gain additional die on range attack rolls against models within 8″)

A few things are missing. I'll see if I can find them in the linked thread. It looks like Retribution steals as much from Cygnar as it does from Protectorate. Mage Hunters sound sick. Nayl can effectively Disrupt warcaster AND warlocks without even hitting them! And the Mage Hunter Assassin has Decapitate, meaning we officially have a Flying Guillotine.

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Battle Mages
Magic Ability 6
Force Bolt – RNG 10, POW 10 magic on pushes d3 on crit KD.
Beatback.

Dawnguard Scyir
Commander, Jack Marshal, Coordinated Strike (This model and the jack it controls ignores Dawnguard for LOS and can move through them), Drive: Reroll (Warjack and reroll one attack), Flank, Iron Sentinel (+2 Arm when B2B with faction warjack), Reach.

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Arcanist
Special Actions
Concetrated Power – RNG 5 targe warjack gets +2 to melee damage rolls.
Power Booster – RNG 5 if jack has no focus it gains 1 focus. If it was disrupted it is no longer disrupted.
Repair – D6 damage.

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The points costs were posted and removed from the PP boards, so I won't post them here. However, I will link to the original blog where these spoilers are coming from. If you scroll down, you'll see some points costs that seem loaded with typos. But if you want to take a look, here it is.

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**40kenthusiast**

Nayl's thing only goes off when he dies, not when he kills. Still sick but tamer.

**oomiestompa**

Such are the perils of reading internet spoilers. They are never 100% accurate the first time around.

If can devote the resources, I will be throwing Nayl away from my warcaster anytime I see him on the table.

**Bat Manuel**

40kenthusiast wrote:Nayl's thing only goes off when he dies, not when he kills. Still sick but tamer.

That's good. I was about to cry about the Retribution completely breaking the game system.

**oomiestompa**

And here's a tiny tidbit on Retribution Special Forces. You know, those restricted army lists the other WM factions have that nobody uses because they suck? Well, that might change.

Oh almost forgot. Something totally new with themed forces.

There are 3 Themed forces for Retribution each force has 4 tiers when you meet the force composition requirements of a tier you gain the benefits of it. These benefits are cumulative. So if your army meets the requirement of tier 1 and 2 you gain both benefits.

For example. Shadows of Retribution.
Tier 1
Requirements: Kaleyssa, also includes only models that are non-character retribution warjacks, mage hunter units, arcanist solos, ghost sniper solos or mage hunters solos.
Benefit: Mage hunter Strike Force units in the army are FA U.

I really hope that the benefits outweigh the restrictions, especially at the higher tiers. My guess is Mage Hunters (as shown), Dawnguard, and Magisters are the three forces. If so, I will be tempted to start a tier 4 mittens force.

**40kenthusiast**

I dunno if I'm on board with the benefits outweighing the costs. It seems like if they did people would play them in preference to an ordinary faction list, and they will all tend to look like each other. I'd prefer that the costs outweigh the benefits, so they are not as strong as ordinary faction lists. People will still play them, but they'll also play the basic lists.

Remember the old CSM codex in 40k? Everyone played a legion specific army, everyone. And they all looked alot like each other. I much prefer the current CSM/WM codexes, where you can make your own force if you want, and be decently assured you won't run into your clone at a tourney. Soudns like the new WM force tiers could be the best of both worlds.

**Vertrucio**

You trade those themed benefits for a focused army, but you lose out on versatility. Mage Hunter Strike Forces, for example, may be deadly, but they're still just a unit with set abilities. If you have too many of them your opponent can tailor his plan to face them.

It's likely that as you go up in tiers the requirements become more strict, locking you into a narrower and narrower path. In this case, your opponent will start tailoring his list to your since you kind of have to tell him you're playing a special forces list. If he asks what tier, he will likely know a vast majority of what you're taking.

That said, because you're doing stuff like breaking field allowances and probably getting other abilities, it balances out.

I hope they have a Kaelyssa themed army that's not quite so angry and hellbent on war.

These theme armies might make me come back to Khador, which I'm a little tired of.

**oomiestompa**

Vertrucio wrote:You trade those themed benefits for a focused army, but you lose out on versatility. Mage Hunter Strike Forces, for example, may be deadly, but they're still just a unit with set abilities. If you have too many of them your opponent can tailor his plan to face them.

It's likely that as you go up in tiers the requirements become more strict, locking you into a narrower and narrower path. In this case, your opponent will start tailoring his list to your since you kind of have to tell him you're playing a special forces list.

True. In tournies, it's less of a problem since people can't tailor their lists, but you're more vulnerable to a bad match up taking you out. Of course, this year's Nationals tournament doesn't let you use the same warcaster more than once, meaning any given special forces list is only good for one round in the tournament.

Anyways, I was just on the phone with malfred. He's at Gencon and spilled the beans on the Magister special force. Of course, while we were talking someone posted exactly what I wanted to know on the PP boards, so I could have asked him something else. Oh well. I'll see if I can't get more info from him later, but for now this will have to do.

Tier 1
Only must include Adeptis as the warcaster, no character jacks, houseguard units, arcanist solos, battle mage units, magister solos.
Turns battle mages FA U, solos gets FA increased by 1

Tier 2
In addition to tier 1, 2 or more heavy jacks
Add an arcanist solo for free and doesn't count toward FA

Tier 3
In addition to tier 2, 3 or more magister solos
Battle mages and Magister solos gain Advance Move

Tier 4
In addition to tier 3, 4 or more battle mage units.
Friendly models/units can begin the game affected by Rahn's upkeep spells. Must be declared before either player sets up models. Rahn does not have to pay focus to upkeep these spells during your first turn.

So to get to Tier 4, you need Rahn, 2 heavy myrmidons (Rahn's 6 WJ points help offset this), 3 Magister solos (probably 2 points each), and 4 battle mage units (malf says 5 points each, fixed size unit). And a free Arcanist. That's about 40 points right there, depending on what jacks you take, leaving you with 10-ish points for the other things allowed in the special force. 50 points in MkII is supposedly around 750 points in MkI, so it shouldn't be too unwieldy. I kind of like it.

**Vertrucio**

Wow, I can see why they broke it into tiers then.

I really like the system. If my friend plays that army at 50 points, I know exactly what he's got save for those 10 points.

**oomiestompa**

Dawnguard force!

Dawnlord Vyros: Legions of the Dawn

Tier 1
Requirements: Vyros, no character jacks, dawnguard units, stormfall archer units, arcanist solos, or dawn guard solos,
Benefit: Invictors and Sentiels becomes FA U, Scyir solos increase FA by 1 for each Invictor or Sentinel unit included.

Tier 2
Requirements: In addition to 1, includes 2 or more sentinel units.
Benefit: Add one UA for free ignoring FA restrictions.

Tier 3
Requirements: In addition to 2, include one Destor unit and one or more Destor thane solos.
Benefit: +1 to your starting game roll.

Tier 4
Requirements: In addition to 3, include to or more heavy warjacks.
Benefit: Your deployment is extended 2"

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Mage Hunters force!

Tier 1
Requirements: Kaelyssa, non character warjacks, mage hunters, arcanists solos, ghost sniper solos or mage hunter solos.
Benefit: Mag Hunter Strike Force are FA U

Tier 2
Requirements: In addition to 1, include to more more mage hunter strike force.
Benefit: UA for free ignoring FA

Tier 3
Requirements: In addition to 2, include 4 or more mage hunter solos
Benefit: Redeploy any one mage hunter model/unit

Tier 4
Requirements: In addition to 3, include 3 or more warjacks.
Benefit: Your deployment is extended 2"

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There's a fourth one. Assassins! This one looks like the cheapest to field Tier 4, points-wise.

Tier 1
Requirements: Garryth, non character jacks, mage hunter units, mage hunter assassins or nayl
Benefit: Mage Hunter Strike force are FA U. Mage Hunter FA increase by for each Mage Hunter unit included.

Tier 2
Requirements: In adddition to 1, include 3 or more mage hunter assassin solos.
Benefit: +1 on starting roll.

Tier 3
Requirements: In addition to 2, inlcude 3 mage hunter strike force units each with souless escort attachments.
Benefits: Add Nayl for free

Tier 4
Requirements: In addition to 2, include only light warjacks.
Benefit: Battletroup gains AD.

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Fiddley-dee, there's one for Ravyn too. Why not?

Ravyn, Eternal Light: Will of the Nine Voices

Tier 1
Requirements: Ravyn, non character jacks, invictors, mage hunterse, storm fall archers, mage hunter solos, or fane knight skyreth.
Benefit: Mage strikef force units and their UA become FA U.

Tier 2
Requirements: In addition to 1, 3 or more mage hunter strike force.
Benefit: Add a mage hunter solo for free subject to FA restricitons.

Tier 3
Requirements: In addition to 2, include Fane Knight Skyreth and Narn.
Benefit: +1 to starting roll.

Tier 4
Requirements: In addition to 3, include 2 ore more phoenix jacks.
Benefit: Each warjack in Ravyn's battlegroup automatically gets 1 focus point in your first control phase in addition to any points ravyn allocates.

**greenskin lynn**

that actually sounds rather cool, i'm looking forward to mk2 somewhat more now

**oomiestompa**

Other Gencon spoilers:

Apparently the final MkII battle boxes were being used to run demos.

Styker and Kreoss are about the same as the FT as are the jacks. Kreoss lost Ignite which hurts. Sorcha is the same as is the Juggernaut, the Destroyer lost 1 pow to its axe. Deneghra is about the same but she lost Dark Seduction and gained Influence. The Defiler changed its sludge cannon to a spray attack and gained a bash attack which is a p+s equal to its strength.

Derpa derp, Defilers always had a Bash attack. Nightwretches too.

Also, for preordering the hard cover MkII book, you get a model that won't be released for some time. It's Madelyn Corbeau, Ordic courtesan, a mercenary solo that will work for all five WM factions.

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Here's Madelyn's info.

If she is in b2b with a friendly warcaster or solo they gain +1 cmd.

She has an ability called intrigue which says if one of more enemy models are in her cmd range during your maintenance phase you can move 1 friendly warrior model in her command range up to 3".

Seduction is any non warcaster/warlock enemy warrior model that she is in b2b with she can control and they can immediately move and make 1 normal attack at which point this effect expires and the controlled model cannot be targeted by free strikes while under this effect.

She also has an ability called sucker! which if she is hit by an enemy ranged attack she can nominate 1 friendly living warrior model within 2" of her and it can suffer the effects of the attack. This is not a once per turn ability.

**George Spiggott**

I wonder if the Battleboxes will be modified as they no longer contain an even number of points (between boxes).

I suspect the battlebox Warjacks will be the first on the list for being redone in plastic.

**Metsuri**

George Spiggott wrote:I suspect the battlebox Warjacks will be the first on the list for being redone in plastic.

I suspect the same as the obvious kit for cygnar would be a kit with bits for ironclad and defender in the same box.

**oomiestompa**

There's been some scuttlebutt about concept art for one new jack for each of the factions. Currently, only two descriptions have made it to the board.

One is an Ironclad chassis with two open fists and two underslung chain guns.

The other is a Crusader with a flail and a shield.

**George Spiggott**

My guess is that any future plastic jacks will follow the format of the Retribution heavy warjack (three jacks in one box).

For example the first Cryx plastic will be a Slayer/Reaper/*newjack* setup, not only does this allow for a new warjack release it also frees up the Slayer and Reaper SKUs (PP seem keen to free up SKUs) this can be followed by a Leviathan/Harrower/*newjack* box, perhaps next year. This would be repeatable across all the factions, with only Khador spoiling the symmetry.

**oomiestompa**

You're half right, George. The original Cryxian helljack was the Slayer, and their new one is based off of that.

The Khador one appeared to be a Juggernaut with one arm being a buzzsaw and the other arm being a gun of some type, it looked pretty wicked.

The Cryx one appeared to be a Slayer with a gun that looked like an Injector of some sort and a crab like claw on the other arm that also looked like it had some smaller injectors in there. It looked like a machine built for torture and death, loved the artwork on it.

So it will be Slayer/Reaper/New jack and Juggernaut/Destroyer/Marauder/New jack.

I would also like to thank PP posters Creation Matrix and Demeritus for providing most of these spoilers.

**Vertrucio**

You know, that 3 Jacks in a box idea is one of the best ideas I've heard in a while. Great for everyone since local stores can easily keep the stock on the shelf while still having variety, we get more easily customized plastic jacks along with bits, and privateer gets to use some cost saving from the plastic while still providing basically 3 new jacks based off one chassis.

And to be honest, a lot of the current metal jacks are also based on the same chasis, which is one of the reasons why I got tired of Khador.