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Ok its my first battle report and my 3rd game with daemons (3 wins so far!)
My list:
Bloodthirster Unholy Might
Bloodthirster Unholy Might
3 Flamers of Tzeentch
14 Bloodletters
9 Horrors w/ Bolt of Change
9 Horrors w/ Bolt of Change and Changeling
2 Daemon Princes w/ MoN, Iron Hide, Noxious Touch

His list (from memory):
Grandmaster w/ all the anti daemon stuff, mastercrafted nemisis, holy relic
w/ 4 Terminator Retinue with incinerator
2x7 Grey Knights, Incinerator, Psycannon
Orbital Strike
2 Godhammers (Grandmaster in one, GK in another)

Terrain is heavy, which is both good and bad, I can scatter into everything, but I also get 4+ cover saves on my Bloodletters and Daemon Princes.

Dawn of War deployment he elects not to place anything and he won the dice and choose to go second.

Turn One Daemons:
I roll a 3 and get to use my wave of choice which is all my MCs. They deploy heavily on the left flank, not too much scattering and run foreward slightly.

Turn One DH:
Deploys everything from board edge, drops one land raider on left with my MCs, the GK squad in the middle and the other land raider on the right side. Shooting wounds one of my daemon Princes twice. He charges in with the Grandmaster against my daemon prince. He reveals all of his special rules and I grimace, he then kills me using the GK force weapon (which i guess doesn't cause instant death). Now I am worried because he can instant gib my guys.

GK-1 KP, Daemons-0

Turn Two Daemons:
Flamers drop down in front of grey knights, scatter slightly but still within range.
I move up the remaining 3 MCs so that they are very close to his Grandmaster squad. Flamers kill 3 terminators and wound the GM twice. I decide to charge with my MCs, I am smug because my bloodthirsters have I6 on the charge, with -1 is only I5, but then he tells me about the difficult terrain test and how since i have no grenades i attack last. He kills a Bloodthirster and I kill off his squad. (btw isn't his squad worth 2 KP, he said they were only one, and i argued with him, but he stood resolute).

Turn Two DH:
He moves up his units in the center and right, chooses to not move his land raider on the left which is next to my Bloodthirster. Deploys one GK squad from the land raider which is now center right. Uses all of his shooting just to kill the flamers , orbital strike fails to come in

GK-3 KP, D-1?

Turn 3 Daemons:
Everything comes in, bloodletters scatter into center dangerously close to incinerators, Horrors are on the right center next to GK squad, other horrors take the center. Shooting wipes out the deployed GK squad. Bloodthirster wipes out Land Raider

Turn 3 DH:
Unleashes barrage which kills 3 horrors in the center. GK kill off 3 bloodletters due to bad rolling on his incinerators part. He puts a wound on my DP and kills a horror in the separate squad.

GK-3 D-3

Turn 4 onwards:
basically I charge is GK with my bloodletters, he attacks first because of the difficult terrain thing and I loose three, but then i kill the rest. He tries to tie the game by shooting his land raider at my Daemon Prince, who has 3 wounds left. Causes two wounds but doesn't move it when my Bloodthirster is next to it, I charge and destroy it and he is tabled.

GK-3 D-5 (tabled)

I think I was somewhat lucky in this game, if he had moved his land raiders so i hit on six's then he could have saved two kill points. Although i think it was pretty good considering he had every anti-daemon thing in his book which was rough.

GM retinue is an upgrade for him not a termie squad that he is attached to he cannot leave that squad. only 1 KP

I thought since he is an independent character he was 1, does that mean the retinue is 0? For instance if i snipe it with a vindicator i would get a point RAW, then i would not get a point for killing the squad as they are just an upgrade?

No. What it is is that the GM is not an independent character once he gets the retinue. If he had bought a grand master and then attached it to a squad, then it'd be 2 KP.

Can you find that in the BRB because my knowledge of the issue come from page 91.
"If a character has a retinue the character and his unit are worth 1 point each"
considering that the terminators are called a retinue in the DH book and that it then states in the independent character section under Grey Knight Hero, that if he looses his retinue then he reverts back to being an independent character. Why would he not be 2 KPs? I fail to see why this is different than any other command squad? He does benefit from not being able to be targeted, that I agree, but I don't see why he should be treated so differently.

Wait what? I think fen and booty are confused. Just like an inq him and his retinue will both be worth 1 kp each. Just because the inq is forced to take a retinue does not mean that he looses his ic status. He still is one. He still has the rule. Hes just buddied up with his squad for the time being.


Tiek would have being correct and it would have being worth 2 kps.

Hmmm... Oh. Right. I see where I went wrong. A lot of the armys I deal with say "Unless accompanied by a Retinue, this model is an independent character". But it could still be argued, becuse in the DH codex, on the Grey Knight Hero entry, it says that "If the Grey Kngiht hero has a retinue the he must join it and they are treated as a single unit. Note that the retinue does not use up an HQ slot." But still, even though it can be argued, I wouldn't, I think you're right. it was worth 2 KPs.

Nice job taking it to the GK!

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Talk about a comeback. I reckon even if he did move his lrs you still would've won. I reckon at least 1 lr wudve been destroyed, and the squad was worth 2 Kp, not 1.

Nicely done! I've got no idea about the KP thing until I grab my codex though.

And it really says a lot about Daemonhunters when they can't even beat Daemons with all the anti-Daemon wargear they had. Sorry for the codex complaint there

But good win

The Grandmaster and Retinue are 1 KP each since the Grandmaster is an independent character. Even though you might argue that the retinue is an upgrade for the GM it is still a retinue with a character and once the retinue dies the GM becomes an IC again.

guys, the whole point about losing independent character status is so that he can't be singled out in close combat while with his retinue (he doesn't count as a separate unit that your opponent can allocate attacks towards). he and his retinue count for 1 kp each and he regains his independent character status (and thus the ability to leave and join other squads as well as be singled out in close combat) when his retinue dies.

Thanks guys, also it is nice to know i would have had another point or so. Meaning i would not have had to table him had he killed my DP.
Still not sure what to do about a Grandmaster next time I see him, maybe I will give both of my Bloodthirsters blessing of the blood god so they get a 2+ invulnerable to his force weapon, give my princes cloud of flies and drop unholy might on one bloodthirster. Otherwise I am not sure how to handle him.
BTW interestingly enough, one bloodthirster always does nothing in the game, while the second one always runs rampant and kills double his points or so. Its always interesting to watch.

Nice report. Just a question, I don't have the demon codex with me right now, correct me if i am mistaken, but isn't bloodthirster unique? I thought only one bloodthirster per army. Even though you can use the bloodthirster special character if you want two in an army.

No they are just normal HQ, the only thing that is "special" about them is that they take up an entire HQ slot, Heralds can be taken as a 2 for 1 deal, while greater daemons are 1 per.