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What are the opinions of Tau? Are the Tau technically good or evil. I know they fight for the greater good and stuff, but i've heard that their means of getting to that is pretty much a "join us or we'll kill you" kind of thing. Is that true? If not, are there any other really "good" or "bad" things they do? Any clarification would be nice.

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In 40k nothing is "good" or "bad", instead all the races float around in a blob of dark moral grey.

This applies to tau just as much as all the others, they give you the chance to join them however if you do they sterilise you and treat you like a slave.
   
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corpsesarefun wrote:In 40k nothing is "good" or "bad", instead all the races float around in a blob of dark moral grey.

This applies to tau just as much as all the others, they give you the chance to join them however if you do they sterilise you and treat you like a slave.


Not quite a slave, but the sterilization part might be a turn off, depending on if it involves cutting off stuff. Sterilization only happens if you're part of a race that did not fully embrace the greater good, though. Which pretty much means mankind and eldar that happen to surrender when things go south. Also seems a bit logical to be distrusting human auxiliaries. They did switch sides once already, right?

They're rather less aggressive, but that doesn't make them peaceful. It just means they make sure they get the most with as little shooting as possible.
Their society is certainly restrictive, in that there are things you can't do and things you're forced into doing depending on the caste you happen to be born in. But, all in all, I'd say an average Tau leads a hell of a better life than an an average Imperial, not just because they have shinier light bulbs or better shaving razors, there is actually a sense of looking after the citizens of the Tau Empire.
The Greater Good approach seems to be a lot more sensible than the Divine Emperor or Gork and Mork, and eons better than the eight pointed cross, but sometimes it strikes me as being even more impersonal and distant than the Eldar's smug manipulation of the future.

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i think that you cant say that tau are good or evil. they just thik they are right and that the others races are wrong.

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You actually have 3 options:

Join
Flee
Die

As for sterilization that only happens when a race is deemed "undesirable" or they have not fully embraced the greater good.

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Original GW designer's notes wrote:In contrast to other races, we wanted the Tau to be altruistic and idealistic, believing heartily in unification as the way forward. This meant that they would happily incorporate other races into their empire without subjugating them, instead enticing them in with the benefits of mutual protection, trade and technology.

Battlefleet Gothic Rulebook wrote:As the Tau Empire expands out from its homeworld, the Tau inevitably encounter new races previously unknown to them, and to each of these an offer of allegiance is made. There are many aggressive, arrogant and selfish races in the galaxy, however, and even the Tau often find first contact results in nothing more than yet another bloody war. There are other races however, who readily accept the message of the greater good and take up their place in the Tau Empire. Some of these races are small, perhaps located on just a single world, or else primitive with little useful resource to offer the Tau, in which case their accession to the Empire is simply a formality, with the benevolent Tau offering protection to these lesser races while they can expect little other than appreciation and friendship in return.

Other additions to the Empire are advanced in themselves, and the union of two such cultures provides valuable new knowledge, technology and understanding for both parties. Such races, where able, fulfil their debt to the Tau Empire by a series of tithes which suit their own particular abilities. Able craftsmen, for instance, may be called upon to provide manufacturing capacity, while aggressive or warlike races will be obligated to provide troops to the armies of the Tau. There are other races still who do not wish to fully submit to the Empire, but who likewise have no wish for war with the Tau and will instead strike up armistices or treaties of neutrality, opening up lucrative new markets or providing new allegiances for mutual protection. Such races are also likely to hire themselves out as mercenaries to the Tau Empire when the opportunity arises.


BTW here is the history of the sterilization rumour nonsense:

There is a non-GW PC game.
For game design reasons there has to be all races on the planet and all ending provided.
We are talking about an ending that is NOT happening in the 40k universe.
There, an Imperial citizen observes that human men and women are held in separate camps. He then speculates why those separated men and women don't have children, the third possible option is sterilization.
So this led to the malignous statement that the Tau Empire regularly sterilizes alien populations. Quite ridiculous if you know the source of this rumour, but people believe it eventually when it is repeated so often.

Tau threads are well known for people discrediting the Tau with statements that can be easily proven wrong. Tau have been called hippies, nazis, communists, liberals, stalinists, just everything the poster hates most. Just because the Tau don't kill everything in sight like all other races.

Hive Fleet Ouroboros (my Tyranid blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/286852.page
The Dusk-Wraiths of Szith Morcane (my Dark Eldar blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/364786.page
Kroothawk's Malifaux Blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/455759.page
If you want to understand the concept of the "Greater Good", read this article, and you never again call Tau commies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism 
   
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Kroothawk wrote:
BTW here is the history of the sterilization rumour nonsense:

There is a non-GW PC game.
For game design reasons there has to be all races on the planet and all ending provided.
We are talking about an ending that is NOT happening in the 40k universe.
There, an Imperial citizen observes that human men and women are held in separate camps. He then speculates why those separated men and women don't have children, the third possible option is sterilization.
So this led to the malignous statement that the Tau Empire regularly sterilizes alien populations. Quite ridiculous if you know the source of this rumour, but people believe it eventually when it is repeated so often.

Tau threads are well known for people discrediting the Tau with statements that can be easily proven wrong. Tau have been called hippies, nazis, communists, liberals, stalinists, just everything the poster hates most. Just because the Tau don't kill everything in sight like all other races.


Non GW?
Its a wh 40k game, it contains the whole copyright clause and GW logo.
Was obviously done by a software company, but IIRC GW had some control over the creation of the game.

The discrediting comes from the usual "good guys" nonsense and should be taken as the response it is, not as an offensive
first strike.

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Only that the "good guy nonsense" comes directly from the designer's mouth and that spreading deliberately made up false information is not an adequate response to not liking the official concept.

Hive Fleet Ouroboros (my Tyranid blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/286852.page
The Dusk-Wraiths of Szith Morcane (my Dark Eldar blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/364786.page
Kroothawk's Malifaux Blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/455759.page
If you want to understand the concept of the "Greater Good", read this article, and you never again call Tau commies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism 
   
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Kroothawk wrote:Only that the "good guy nonsense" comes directly from the designer's mouth and that spreading deliberately made up false information is not an adequate response to not liking the official concept.


So when a designer poures out some nonsense it becomes reasonable then?
Must remember to ask any designer a lot of fluff questions to back up any post with hearsay....

I disagree that GW has any official concept that includes "good guys" in their eternal war universe.
There is only the grimdark and I am sure you know the difference between 40k and other, friendlier backgrounds.


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When the official designer notes on Tau, posted on the official website and quoted by me, state that Tau are altruistic, idealistic and don't subjugate other races, I accept that.

If you want to create an alternative setting, where Tau kill everything in sight like everyone else, you are free to do so. But don't pretend that it is the 40k setting.

I am aware that in the Farsight Enclave and in Mont'au times, unnecessary cruelty happens, but we are talking about the current Tau Empire under Ethereal leadership here.

Hive Fleet Ouroboros (my Tyranid blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/286852.page
The Dusk-Wraiths of Szith Morcane (my Dark Eldar blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/364786.page
Kroothawk's Malifaux Blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/455759.page
If you want to understand the concept of the "Greater Good", read this article, and you never again call Tau commies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism 
   
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germany,bavaria

Kroothawk wrote:

If you want to create an alternative setting, where Tau kill everything in sight like everyone else, you are free to do so. But don't pretend that it is the 40k setting.

I am aware that in the Farsight Enclave and in Mont'au times, unnecessary cruelty happens, but we are talking about the current Tau Empire under Ethereal leadership here.


Didn't pretend anything, just kept T'au as part of 40k. And thus, they have to play theyre role as naive new guys.

I see your trying to whitewash them, but in MonT'au times they had no contact offworld and Farsight is more a realist than
bloody handed slaughterer. So any cruelty was done under the rule of the empire and its etheral masters.




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The Tau are communists.
Their "For the Greater Good" is rather "For the expansion of the tau empire"
Although yes, they do take humans into their fold, they rob them of their culture and "tauize" them

 
   
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From their descriptions based in the codex and other sources pulled from the net, the average Tau believes that what they do and who they are are essentially the definitions of "good." They work with the other Tau and alien species buying into the Communist style "Greater Good" philiosophy in order to bring harmony to the galaxy. With that said, the Ethereal's motivation for unifying the Tau are suspect at best, and the Tau are ruthless to those who do not accept their philosophy and right to expand (a la 19th century United States).

So the answer is a mixed bag on whether they are good or not. They accept others who believe in the Greater Good, and for the most part war with those who do not believe in this philosophy. I believe they are good (and that would make me a heretic), but have my doubts about what the leaders of their race really think about their own philosophy.

   
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Say what you like, what other race would throw a party for the Necrons :p

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Your stalking me now, aren't you. O_o

Well, in the case of the Necrons, those husks of metal powered by hungry energy gods ain't in the mood for hugging Tau when they could be evisercating them and sucking out the souly goodness from them. I'd think the Tau would find Necrons an abhorrent evil that must be exterminated "for the Greater Good."

   
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Oh, it was a reference to the new Nids codex WarOne. in it some tyranids are attacking, and the moon turns out to be a Necron tomb world, and they come out and smash the nid fleet. So the Tau throw their saviors a hero's party, and the Ethereal goes out to greet them.

And they promptly get annihilated by the Necrons.

rather amusing

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