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Right, so I’ve been out of the warmchine loop for a while now. A whopping 3 games in MK2.

But I’ve been having the same problems over and over again, and can’t find a way to deal with them.


the basic problem is that menoth stuff is easily hit, easily killed, and with the whole allowing for epic casters at any point level even the good ole pop and drop doesn’t work half as well as it used to.

It may be that most of my games are vs. cryx (now fielding epic denergah (SP?) and her feat of "you can’t do anything for a turn, you’re easier to hit, and your armor goes down"...
or it may be that I don’t want to take out a home loan to buy every new box that comes out, or the cool jacks like the avatar, blessing of vengeance, beast 09, ect ect...

I don’t know, here is a list of the menoth stuff I have... and maybe the more experienced players can help me out a little with some combo bashes and tactics.


Kreoss
Grand Exemplar Kreoss
Severius
The Harbinger of Menoth
The testament of menoth
High Executioner whatever his name is

1 crusader
1 revenge
1 repenter
2 redeemers

1 full unit of zealots
1 monolith barer to go with them

1 full unit of temple flame guard

2 units of knight’s exemplar
1 unit + 1 extra exemplar vengers

1 min sized unit of delivers

3 wracks


I can easily acquire some other light jacks (some dervishes, and a devout) at %50 off
And I will be picking up the covenant of mentoh next time I am at the store.

I think I see one of your biggest problems, no choir! They really are a very important piece in any menoth army, a vassel sure wouldn't hurt either. The inclusion of those models should really help you out against any army. The choir alone can give your jacks +2 to hit and damage making your redeemers much more likely to hit and +2 blast damage can make a huge difference in what gets killed. Not to mention early game the no spells ability vs your jacks.

o. i do have 1 full sized chior.

and they worked wounders in MK1. but now they can only affect 1 jack per chior, and not the buble of goodness.

Envy89 wrote:now fielding epic denergah (SP?) and her feat of "you can’t do anything for a turn, you’re easier to hit, and your armor goes down"...

Epic Deneghra feat doesn't reduce armour, It prevents moving (except to turn in place) and lowers your DEF by three.

Covenant is a good purchase (as you are already aware) If he's running an infantry Horde you may want to try Feora. There's nothing wrong with the core of Infantry and Warjacks you have, all solid choices.

Pop and drop is weaker against warcasters and warjacks in MkII but is just as effective as ever against infantry. You need to make sure what you knock down stays down. A choir can help here, giving your Warjacks +2/+2 (it will also stop them being damaged as much on the way in).

You only have one heavy warjack, Have you considered fielding another? Proxy it for a bit. I never build lists with less than two heavy warjacks in them in MkII.

Envy89 wrote:o. i do have 1 full sized chior.

and they worked wounders in MK1. but now they can only affect 1 jack per chior, and not the buble of goodness.

Dude.

Each model can affect one warjack. The restriction is command range, same chant, and
target warjack 3" from the model.

I've been doing well with epic kreoss, a crusader for his free jack, and CHOKE THEM WITH KNIGHTS.

15 exemplar, 10 errants, gravus, vengers, bastions. And a unit of daughters of the flame for extra infantry-killing goodness.

Protectorate is tough, they can take a whole lot of punishment before the army is worn down but also hit very hard and accurately when they shift into offense mode. ive been beaten to a pulp by them many times and ive seen them do many things well.
The choir and vassal are all-stars for getting any jacks to their destination. the covenant is also great, and extremely mean near the avatar of menoth if he can gaze their caster.
For jacks, ive seen the reckoner, fire of salvation, and avatar be my headaches more than any of the others. the avatar can use gaze of menoth with enliven up and become a self contained board control mechanism. fire of salvation works well right in the middle of a unit split into two bubbles beside him. i cant shoot him with the choir around and if i kill the unit the fire gets a free movement and attack. the reckoner is not up to the character jack level but he carries a nice gun and a couple of ways to debuff the opponent. the gun can get a second shot before or after he activates from the vassal, which spreads that flare effect more.
Ive never played against a protectorate unit or solo i thought was bad, just play to their strengths and remember that choir's presence means the troops eat all ranged attacks.

Choir + Reclaimer (solo, if not the caster) is fun, when with lots of jacks. The enemy shoots the choir because they can't hit the jacks, which fuels the reclaimer. Works well.

Fire of Salvation with Reznik seems like a good option too. Able to move when it's shot [Enliven], when a friend is shot [its own ability], and when it's hit with magic [Reznik's ability], plus a move when Reznik casts Perdition, this sucker can really move across the field!

just been playing a list built only with the MK2 core rules book.

as soon as he gets the MK2 menoth faction deck in i will pick one up.


that should help a lot, at least bring me up to speed on the new goodies and gubbins.

picked up a covenant... but really wanting to avoid the $120 plunge for just 3 jacks. the avatar is not to bad at $35, but $30 for the character revenger (light warjack) and over $50 for the blessing of vengance.... good lord PP's pricing is Games Workshop on roids.