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So for my 35 pt legion army Ive been playing the following...

Epic Thagrosh
Typhon
Carnivean
Carnivean
Shepherd
Shepherd
Forsaken

I have come to find that this list is a completely dick move. As all I do it charge units and spray warcasters/warlocks...

So for my 50 point list I have decided to capitolize on the sprays... I am going to go for the following as my 50 points and I want to know... does this make me a d*ck?

Epic Thagrosh
Typhon
Carnivean
Carnivean
Carnivean
Sorceress/Helion
Shepherd
Shepherd
Frosaken

This basically gives me a total of 8 sprays... all of which are FAST moving models, all with either eyeless sight or fly, and most with with pathfinder or fly... Thoughts?

Those are the most efficient Legion lists currently. I wouldn't call you dick for playing those, I've faced a variation of the 35 point list couple of times and it is not unbeatable.

The sprays are really good, but with carniveans rat 4 if the opponent has some ways to buff def hits can be limited.

Typhon is so good especially with eThag that you can't go wrong with it.

No.

In fact, you should play Inquisitor Syphonus's regular opponent and show him why
it's a good idea to change your list around from time to time.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/297410.page

Indeed, well as I was playing erlier, even against def 16 warcasters my carnies were still landing hits, manifest destiny and boosting is allowing 4 dice dropping the lowest to hit. And if all else goes wrong, they kill whatever they charged then feat run to the caster/lock...

My original thought was to add 20 legionairs to the 50 pts instead of the carny/helion... but I found that they never did anything and I always relied on spraying the enemy second turn, tis the reason I took the route of more sprays.

Edit: Didnt see your post malfred... guess you posted while I was typing lol...
Maybe I should, hell I can play a mean list but Im all for changing! Gotta love that Epic Lylyth army of stealth...

Buttler, I meant that your spraying heavy warbeast army of death would wipe any
army heavily reliant on Mage Hunter Strike Force teams...

On the other hand, the Legion spraying army of death is going to seriously struggle against Trolls. 1 Pyre Troll shuts down the assassination. Borka just laughs and protects a good chunk of his army with windwall. Make sure list number 2 relies on something other than sprays to balance things out a bit

malfred wrote:Buttler, I meant that your spraying heavy warbeast army of death would wipe any
army heavily reliant on Mage Hunter Strike Force teams...

Ohhh. I just reread the previous message and link.
I seem to have been misunderstanding your posts last night! Guess thats what happens when I try to read stuff while half asleep...

I dunno, Terminus isn't so impressed by this list. I imagine that the same would be true for Epic Butcher or other big focus camping super-solo style casters. Advance into sprays. Survive them, kill caster.

In particular Karchev stands out as 7th generation not giving a bleep about this stuff.

He moves up, Khador jacks towed. We'll say you get perfect positioning. You move up to 10" away and let loose with every spray you've got. He's still alive, not even really winded, over half. Mechanics move up, repair him. He advances (or charges some cav who runs out in front), turns around and casts his spell, feats, places Behemoth, Beast, etc. They charge your beasts, kill them all. Now you've got Thagrosh, cutting himself for fury, and maybe one wounded beast vs. undamanged Khador heavy. Game.

You need infantry to handle big tough casters, charging weapon masters, CRA's, CMA's, etc. Sprays are fine, but they max out in terms of armor penetration and damage hitting, even with Glory of Everblight the average on boosted dice only goes from 10 to 12.

Very true, but Im not sure, last time I tryd adding infantry to the 50 pt list they never did anything. Im sure it will all depend on what list Im playing against but as of current experience Ive found quite little use in adding infantry to this list...

Do you perhaps have a suggested list I can try out? Maybe some tips? Cause I might just be using the infantry wrong after all.

The legion heavy beasts are very good in combat with Khador heavys. They can take out a heavy in a turn if need be.

I do not think that it is only the sprays that will do the killing, but also the carniveans themselves in combat...

Ever had the pleasure to be hugged by a carnivean?? There is a reason they have 2 claws and a bite. They hit you, then hit you again, then start biting and biting till you go down, or they are tired. This is before boosts, which thagrosh can also do...

I do not know about you, but I do not believe Kharchev has such a great chance, even after towing a couple jacks.... if a couple carniveans survive they (or any other beasts) they will have a field day on the back of Kharchev...

Not having played against Kharchev I can only comment on the theory, But his jacks are not invincible, and neither is he...

I have seen these lists before they are effective but only against an enemy who is unprepared.

Certain lists are going to just shut you down Aspy and Denegerah come to mind immediately Karchev and his retinue can eat 2 carniveans in one combat if the dice are friendly, any army that can summon terrain or cloud effects that effect movement are gonna be a bugger.

Strong shooty lists are gonna be annoying for you especially if they know how to position, ranged assassination is one of thags weaknesses especially if they ignore the warbeasts and go for thag he is on a medium base keep that in mind when positioning.

Oh and certain Menoth lists will just eat you Harbringer + avatar and crusaders with choirs and w/e else.

Yeah I soon after making the list realized that ranged armies might be a problem... still need to figure out how Im going to deal with certain lists.

However I did play my first test game of the 50pt list on vassal... of coarse it was against a friend whom was playing menoth and already knew my exact list.
So basically tired of my list and knowing my list, he decided to bring feora, avatar, 6 crusaders, choir, and a few other guys whom I dont recall.

Needless to say it wasnt the best game Ive played, but being 3:00 in the morning already, I made a terrible mistake on my second turn and it costed me the game, otherwise I might have won...

Definitely more of a thinking game than fantasy and Im still getting the hang of it so we shall see how this develops!

Edit: Actually Zhetsuken, Ethag is on a large base... not sure about normal Thag however.

Yow so he is even harder to hide than I thought. I have never played Thag, only against him. I thought it was really easy to get LoS to him.... now I know why. I forgot they have a few warcasters/warlocks with large bases.

Well at least he is tough as nails. I think you are on the right path with your list though, I run a list very similar but I run Absylonia and I have found in larger point games she can be a game breaker with her feat. I have found at 35 points and below she is much harder to run well since she really needs bare minimum 2 carniveans and preferable an angilius as well which leaves you with pretty much nothing else.