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I watched a game between a couple of people in my area and i marveled at Gasps feat and it started me think about ways to either abuse his feat and/or defeat it entirely.

1. Can he teleport and then use his feat or does the wording on teleport forbid that?

2. eGaspys feat states that the models he brings back "MUST" charge, so does that mean that pHaleys spell temporal barrier which forbids models who activate in her control area from charging completely negate his feat? Or can the models activate normally move into combat and wreck house just without the 4d6 for damage?

You can't teleport before feating because placing eGaspy ends his activation.

malfred wrote:You can't teleport before feating because placing eGaspy ends his activation.

Hey, You! Where are the Cryx Articles?

Get Back to work!

And he is correct.

to answer #2. IIRC the phrase is "Must charge if able". If this is so, then they could still advance.

Cryx Articles?! Where?!

I can't even find the time to finish Menoth.

btw: The Cryx Articles are written in a file folder. The issue is taking the chicken
scratch that I did at the laundromat and turning it into wiki stuff.

The exact wording is: "Returned models must charge during their activations and leave play at the end of this turn."

I still believe that they can advance.

There are so many charge-negating abilities, that I do not see them missing this rules interaction.

Maybe its covered in the main book?

page 47 of prime 2:
Some effects require a model to charge. ~ If there are no targets in line of sight, or it cannot charge, the model activates but must forfeit it's movement and action.

sorry to be the bearer of bad news but its nice to see this sort of thing covered in the rulebook.

Nice work Dais.

So apparently ya his feat is completely useless in those situations. Ouch.

His Feat is so insanely powerful that I'm alright if some things get to negate it.

I am too, his feat if played right can be just brutal.

However, this being said I have rarely seen eGaspy players even rely on his feat. Bane Knights ability to come through walls and disengage at will or charge through a unit to get to one further back is incredible.

And the death jack well any heavy with khadorian health, 6 speed, can have up to 5 focus every turn as long as it's arms are intact, and that can heal it self when it kills living models is just silly.

The rule priority section also states that cannot always overrides can or must.

Other thoughts for playing against eGaspy:

If you can get your caster to Def 18 or higher, you're safe against eGaspy IMO. That means pVlad, both Sorschas, both Haleys, pIrusk, and the Old Witch don't really even have to try to survive, and those are just the casters I can think of off the top of my head that have a def buff and / or set defense -- I'm sure there are more.

If you can make it to def 17, you should be safe with a little safe playing. That includes Borka, pKrueger, pMakeda, both Morghouls (not to mention you can have a cannoneer's animus), multiple legion casters / tenacity, both caines (Though you probably want to camp a focus or 3 and have some arcane shield on you), pButcher and I'm sure there are more.

Cloud effects / forests / terrain are your friends. Even if you can't completely block off the charge lane with a cloud effect you can restrict it enough yourself that you should be able to limit the number of models that can attack you. All factions have access to cloud effects for 2 points or less (gorman & swamp gobbers) though some factions are really, really good at going above and beyond, such as the number of forests that Circle can drop.

Messing with Incorperal will also help, such as the troll Kriel Stone can do. When the spectral legion has to stop at intervening models you can severely mess up the assassination run.

Lets also not forget removing models from the game, such as Epic Caine and the Black 13th can do. Remove the models from the game and gaspy doesn't have any ammo to feat with.

This isn't to say that Epic Asphyxious's feat isn't nasty (it is), its just that, like all things WM, skill on the table top will matter more than auto piloting the feat.

B13th doesn't have any attack that removes from the game.

12thRonin wrote:B13th doesn't have any attack that removes from the game.

Ack! They lost Smoke 'em if you've got 'em! Some times I hate the transition between the editions -- it makes me look bad!