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I'd like to try my hand at either Nemo or eNemo. I drew up the following 25 pointer and 50-point goal around eNemo's Weathermen lists because I love Cygnar's mad-science aspects. These are my first attempts at writing lists for WM so I'd really appreciate some feedback.

@25
eNemo
3x Fireflies
Stormblades
Stormguard (6)
Journeyman Warcaster
Squire

Fireflies would get Advance Move.

@50
eNemo
2x Firefly
Stormclad
Thunderhead
Stormblades
2x Stormguard (6)
Stormsmith Storm Tower
Journeyman Warcaster
Squire

Free Storm Tower here.

A bit of strange list you have there.

I would say you need to have a heavy jack in the 25 pts list to counter enemy heavies. In addition you don't have any stormsmiths in your list, with the eNemo's elite cadre bonus there is no reason not to take any. They are also one of the selling points of fireflies, which are missing one the major abilities as there are no stormsmiths in the list. Stormblades are not in eNemo's tier list so they are removing the tier bonuses from you and you should consider taking the UA for them everytime you field any.

You could try something like
General Adept Nemo
Firefly
Stormclad
Squire
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team
Stormblade Infantry (Leader and 5 Grunts)
Stormblade Infantry Officer & Standard
Stormsmith Stormcaller
Stormsmith Stormcaller

It is not optimized, but has that same storm feel to it and has some synergies going on and should hit hard on the charge. In small games eNemo's feat is a bit lost as the number of jacks on the table is low.

I thought all Storm Knight infantry were in eNemo's tiers. Also, I don't have my book in front of me but I'm pretty sure gunmages aren't so you couldn't get the FA (field allowance or focus allocation or what?) bonus on Stormsmiths if you included them. You mentioned eNemo's feat, which is why I went with three advance move Fireflies rather than throwing in the Stormclad (hoping that the high amount of disruption here would help with heavies). I guess I could replace the Journeyman with three Stormsmiths but could someone explain the connection/combo between them and the Fireflies? Again, I do appreciate the feedback. Starting a new game without a good IRL group can be an opaque experience. It's enough to make a guy just buy a plastic Stryker setppor just stick to 40k!

Manchu wrote:I thought all Storm Knight infantry were in eNemo's tiers. Also, I don't have my book in front of me but I'm pretty sure gunmages aren't so you couldn't get the FA (field allowance or focus allocation or what?) bonus on Stormsmiths if you included them.

eNemo's tier only has stormguard and the B13th aren't there. I just made a non tier list as the restrictions on the tier list are too strict for the benefits. Especially at this level. The stormsmiths get the elite cadre bonus everytime they are on the table with eNemo. The increase in POW of the strike along with the better ability score for it makes them must with eNemo.

Manchu wrote: You mentioned eNemo's feat, which is why I went with three advance move Fireflies rather than throwing in the Stormclad (hoping that the high amount of disruption here would help with heavies). I guess I could replace the Journeyman with three Stormsmiths but could someone explain the connection/combo between them and the Fireflies?

The fireflies act as another stormsmith when doing the storm surge actions, so it is easier to get the more durable jack to a place to do the triangulation with stormsmiths (it requires 3 stormsmiths to be in triangular formation to get more lightning strikes on the target).

All in all I would not start playing WM with theme forces, especially with Cygnar themes as they are really restrictive and under powered on most cases.

So is there a such thing as a non-restrictive, non-underpowered Nemo/eNemo list at 25 points? What about the same list with stormsmiths in place of either the Journeyman or Squire as I mentioned?

I would think you want Nemo to have the smiths and jr and squire. You get the arcane shield from the JR, and extended Ctrl from the Squire.

I have also seen smiths run effectively at 1 or 2 in the list.
Triangulation is a neat effect, but its kind of a bonus if you can get it.
Smiths are way squishy, so odds are low of getting it.
I haven't seen smiths in MkII yet so forgive me if they have changed.

But if Fireflies can sub in for Smiths on that attack would it really be necessary to take more than one in a list with three of them?

Manchu wrote:But if Fireflies can sub in for Smiths on that attack would it really be necessary to take more than one in a list with three of them?

Fireflies are only "considered to be another friendly Stormcaller" but can not perform Triangulations or Surges themselves. So 2 Fireflies + 1 Stormcaller = 11pts for only 1 possible Triangulation/Surge. 1 Firefly + 2 Stormcallers = 7 points for 2 possible Triangulations/Surges. Your choice...

I guess the question becomes whether the Journeyman or Squire gets replaced with Storm callers. I'd guess the Squire because with three Fireflies, I'd really only need two Smiths. But would the Squire be more helpful than the Journeyman at 25?

IMO, yes. The only thing JR has to offer is Arcane Shield. And it's a bit costly for the points. Squire offers more CTRL and focus. And that seem to be much more important for any caster.
BTW, are you sure about 3 Fireflies at 25pts? Considering eNemo's feat wouldn't 1 Firefly & 2 Chargers be a better choice?

It depends what are you after Manchu?

If you're wanting to try a tier list, they are generally not really competitive. But by all means they are not weak.

I think the eNemo tier list can only use Stormguard?

I know he has to have 2 stormguard units, and i think 2 fireflys and the 4th bit is 3 or more heavies. (not entirely sure my friend owns the book and i haven't seen it in over a month )

If you want it to be Powerful then drop a few fireflys for chargers due to his feat.
If you want to be fluffy then take What ever you can, the Tier restrictions are there for that reason

I dont know why you have 25pts and 50pt i think the most commonly played is 35 or 50? but that could just be around my area.

JR is optional but the squire is definatly worth it.
with Pow 12 stormsmiths, its insane not to take as many as you can. the one thing i hate the most playing against cygnar is Distruption. completely shuts down jacks :( and as a menite i dont have power boosted either.


For your 25pts i'd say not bother with tier list and Drop 2 fireflies. Take 3 stormsmiths and an Ironclad, and its pretty nice
Can also drop JR for the Stormblade UA. It gives them assault which is dangerous if they charge a Jack.

For 50pts go with the tier list. Keep what you have and drop the stormblades, you can buy 5 stormsmiths.
Or drop the stormblades and JR can take a Lancer and 2 stormsmiths.
The lancer allows nemo to sit back and exchange upkeeps spells between his jacks/men safer, Also for the possiblilty of spell assassination with Electrical blast.
he can cast twice with 1 boosted hit.
Then pop feat, Take focus from his jacks then do it again. Not the most perfect of plans but The more versatility you have in warmachine, The better things will go for you