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A short while ago I painted up a chaos bloodbowl team which were mounted on Warmachine style bases. It used greenstuff modded Chaos Warriors and Bloodletters and they look fantastic on the warmachine style 30mm bases.

I basically consider the 40k and WFB rules to be garbage, and I have no shortage of Warmachine opponents who are cool with alternative models.

My first thoughts was to go with Menoth, but I'm thinking Khador is the way to go.

IFP: Chaos Warriors with shields & pikes (easy conversion)
IF Uhlans: Chaos Knights with lances & shields
Kossites: Ungors with bows
Doomreavers: Bloodletters
Fenris: Bloodcrusher & converted Bloodletter for the dismount
eButcher: Skulltaker on a 40mm base
Kayazy: Daemonettes
Great Bears: Chaos Chosen


My initial thoughts are to do an all Khorne daemon 35pt army:

eButcher (Skulltaker)
- Berzerker (some sort of infernal machine or big daemon with two axes)
- Wardog (chaos hound)
Fenris (Bloodcrusher)
30 Doomreavers (5x6 Bloodletters)
2 x Manhunters (Gors or Bloodletters converted to have two axes)

Black Dagger Games on eBay sells individual WFB plastic miniatures, so it's easy to get the one chaos hounds and individual bloodletters or gors as needed for things like Fenris's dismount form or the manhunters. EM4 Miniatures is a great source for bases: http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/MINIAATURES_BASES.html (scroll down to the bottom of the page)

What about jacks? I could just go with the Khador jacks and paint them up as chaos like as possible. Green stuff chaos symbols would also be easy. Generally speaking I'm only going to take infantry heavy armies for this type of project, so I won't need large numbers of jacks.

What about shooting units? I believe the only missile armed miniatures in any of the chaos oriented army is the ungors. So for most things I'd have to convert and fine things like blunderbusses or rifles.


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Found this conversion of Chaos Warriors into IFP. I think they look better as chaos warriors than trying to make them look cleaner. Still gives you a good idea of how nicely they fill up the bases:

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_II4YFCO2NDEGK3CYFNEOIZ3GOE/album/photos/26015/in/42900

I also use alternatives for some of my army. As long as the group you play with do not mind you will be fine...

I have a entire rackham models legion army. I also use rackham wulfen for my circle and woodelves as the troopers with them.

I have had some comments on my basebuying at the LGS, but it is a sale, so they do not mind. Best thing about it is I will use mini's I would otherwise not use in a long time...

Sounds pretty damn cool! You'll run into problems with the tournament scene, of course, but as long as you don't care about that go for it!

Just remember that Warmachine is rather dependent on having properly sized bases, so you'll likely need to at least pick up the right ones. Not hard, considering about half a dozen companies (including PP) sell the things, so you should be able to get 'em reasonably cheap.

Shooty units would be interesting to convert. You'll definitely need firearms, so I'd consider looking at the Empire range in order to scavenge some.

'Jacks are going to be the hardest thing for you to use without using the Privateer models, as GW doesn't really make much that resembles any of them. There's a FW model or two that resemble Cryx spiderjacks, but that's about it. Might have to bite the bullet and convert the official model on this one.

First off let me say that I think this idea is awesome and I fully endorse it.

Laughing Man wrote:Sounds pretty damn cool! You'll run into problems with the tournament scene, of course, but as long as you don't care about that go for it!

Just remember that Warmachine is rather dependent on having properly sized bases, so you'll likely need to at least pick up the right ones. Not hard, considering about half a dozen companies (including PP) sell the things, so you should be able to get 'em reasonably cheap.

Shooty units would be interesting to convert. You'll definitely need firearms, so I'd consider looking at the Empire range in order to scavenge some.

'Jacks are going to be the hardest thing for you to use without using the Privateer models, as GW doesn't really make much that resembles any of them. There's a FW model or two that resemble Cryx spiderjacks, but that's about it. Might have to bite the bullet and convert the official model on this one.

Now the thing about that is, the jacks already look pretty Khornate... Paint on a bit of Chaos detail, maybe carve some symbols of Khorne onto the model, add a few chaos-y bits and you're in business.

LordRavurion wrote:I also use alternatives for some of my army. As long as the group you play with do not mind you will be fine...

I have a entire rackham models legion army. I also use rackham wulfen for my circle and woodelves as the troopers with them.

I have had some comments on my basebuying at the LGS, but it is a sale, so they do not mind. Best thing about it is I will use mini's I would otherwise not use in a long time...

I have a bunch of friends that I can play with at our homes as well as a local store that isn't tied to one miniature line over another. There's Rackham Wulfen in circle armies, reaper miniatures here and there. Some GW elves as Nyss. All based on proper sized warmachine bases, ofcourse. An entire army from another game's fiction is probably going to be the most ambitious proxying to date though. Though one person is talking about finally making an all-kroot army that they've wanted to make back since the Kroot Mercs list came out in White Dwarf. That army would likely be MacBaine as a shaper and then all kroot with spears/halberds and steelhead halbardiers, kroot on cold ones as steelhead cav and kroot as steelhead riflemen. Not sure what he's thinking of as far as jacks go though.

Laughing Man wrote:Sounds pretty damn cool! You'll run into problems with the tournament scene, of course, but as long as you don't care about that go for it!

I have a Merc army, a Cygnar army and a Legion army of all PP models I can use at tournaments. I'm not a huge tournament scene fan anyway. But always good to keep this in mind.

Just remember that Warmachine is rather dependent on having properly sized bases, so you'll likely need to at least pick up the right ones. Not hard, considering about half a dozen companies (including PP) sell the things, so you should be able to get 'em reasonably cheap.

Shooty units would be interesting to convert. You'll definitely need firearms, so I'd consider looking at the Empire range in order to scavenge some.

I have a bunch of handgunner arms I got off an ebay bitz seller that I might be able to make work on marauder or ungor bodies. I think they'll work for Winterguard rifle corps. I also have a bunch of pistolier bitz. I may need to get some individual metal bitz from some manufacturer that makes black powder weapons bitz packs (Reaper? Freebooter? Black Scorpion? I'll have to take a look). Perhaps I just need to hack down the handgunner muskets to make blunderbusses.

'Jacks are going to be the hardest thing for you to use without using the Privateer models, as GW doesn't really make much that resembles any of them. There's a FW model or two that resemble Cryx spiderjacks, but that's about it. Might have to bite the bullet and convert the official model on this one.

I have two Khador plastic heavies set up with swappable arms that are primed and as yet unpainted. I may add some green stuff chaos symbols and paint them up appropriately. The good thing about going with Khador is they have great infantry and great infantry warcasters, so I won't need too many jacks.

My other idea is to take the new plastic bloodcrushers and convert them into standing/humanoid forms and arm them appropriately. Add a couple steam pipes and they should make good daemon-engines. I'll need to wait and see on the layout and assembly of the bloodcrusher sprues.

I had one bloodletter I added to an ebay bitz order from Black Dagger Games that I assembled and threw onto a warmachine base. Here's a picture or two. They really look like they belong on those bases.




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Looks like there's a mould line I missed on the inside of his horns. Oops! Better to catch it now than after he's primed, I guess.


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MasterDRD wrote:First off let me say that I think this idea is awesome and I fully endorse it.

Now the thing about that is, the jacks already look pretty Khornate... Paint on a bit of Chaos detail, maybe carve some symbols of Khorne onto the model, add a few chaos-y bits and you're in business.

I think you're right. I think I will use my two plastic Khador heavies and just Chaos them up. Some people really didn't like that the new heavies didn't have faction symbols moulded right onto them, but I'm going to be alright with not having to remove them.

I love it, but be careful.
It's entirely friendly play, as I'm sure you are aware of.

The tight converting rules for official events will prob. turn you away, more like 'likely'.


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It's a shame, because the events are really fun to participate in.

O.o

...I never thought about turning a bloodcrusher into a jack, but it sounds not only doable, but f***ing awesome! I demand pics when it's done! Better yet, you could do a P&M blog for your army...

Sanctjud wrote:I love it, but be careful.
It's entirely friendly play, as I'm sure you are aware of.

The tight converting rules for official events will prob. turn you away, more like 'likely'.


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It's a shame, because the events are really fun to participate in.

Well Leagues are no problem as the store and organizer are really open about what models can be used. There's already Rackham, Reaper and GW stuff popping up in the Leagues. For the tournaments, the local TO's rule is all non-standard models be approved and completely painted. The painted rule is there because if you don't have the right shape, it can be hard to tell what a non-standard bare metal or primed miniature is supposed to be. I honestly have no idea what the TO would think about the all Chaos army. Maybe I'd be able to play.

MasterDRD wrote:O.o

...I never thought about turning a bloodcrusher into a jack, but it sounds not only doable, but f***ing awesome! I demand pics when it's done! Better yet, you could do a P&M blog for your army...

From what I gather, it won't be the easiest conversion. I need to see a picture of the new sprues for the Bloodcrusher. Initial reports make it out to be not the easiest to repose. The thing is all armour plates though, so I'm sure they can be cut apart and reposed to be standing up. May have to find extra legs to use (hmmm... I've got these Grind red runner jack parts lying around...). Another hard part will be getting the head forward while the torso is vertical.

I think it's doable and I'm planning on giving it a try for Drago or just a Berzerker, but it'll likely be a while until I'll be able to tell whether or not I want to do it with the current metal model or wait for the plastic one.

I think I will start a P&M blog for this army. The only stuff I have to work on right now is painting up that one bloodletter and chaos-converting the two khador heavies.

these are my trencher infantry. i cant stand the original trencher models (and a few other models released with the original prime) so i took some old gw models i never used and put them to use.

For the head, you could use greenstuff and/or plasticard to build a new neck for it... The neck would effectifevly create a 90 degree connector for body to head. Like an L with both ends connected by a curve. (or to be put it more simply, a quarter-circle... )

@Dais - Those are cool. Much better than the trencher miniatures. Definitely a bit more sci-fi as well (which fits better with the way the warmachine releases have been over the last couple years).

@MasterDRD - Good idea about an L-connector. I'm pretty sure that would be easy to build out of tubing, guitar string and the like. I think I am going to make the Bloodcrusher Berzerker.

And MasterDRD strikes again...


Those look... much better than the real trencher models. Are they considered tournament-legal?

MasterDRD wrote:
Those look... much better than the real trencher models. Are they considered tournament-legal?

I'm going to have to go with a resounding no. They're cool, mind you, but most TOs don't take kindly to slapping down models from a different company (those being Pig Iron guard stand-ins, yes?) and claiming "counts as". Great for friendly play, and with some conversion they might work pretty nicely, but as is, I'd say trying to field them in a Steamroller would be considered a bit of a faux pas.

EDIT: Seeing as I haven't posted on this thread yet: Definatley a great idea, and I'd love to get the chance to play against it when you finish painting and converting it up. Just can't see any TOs letting it fly, although I imagine that's not something you're particularly worrying about with an army like this.

Organized Tournament play is definitely not the intended environment for counts-as models made by other companies.

Tarot wrote:

MasterDRD wrote:
Those look... much better than the real trencher models. Are they considered tournament-legal?

I'm going to have to go with a resounding no. They're cool, mind you, but most TOs don't take kindly to slapping down models from a different company (those being Pig Iron guard stand-ins, yes?) and claiming "counts as". Great for friendly play, and with some conversion they might work pretty nicely, but as is, I'd say trying to field them in a Steamroller would be considered a bit of a faux pas.

EDIT: Seeing as I haven't posted on this thread yet: Definatley a great idea, and I'd love to get the chance to play against it when you finish painting and converting it up. Just can't see any TOs letting it fly, although I imagine that's not something you're particularly worrying about with an army like this.

Those are GW Steel Legion Guardsmen, not Pig Iron

Started my P&M Blog:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/306674.page#1765113

skrulnik wrote:
Those are GW Steel Legion Guardsmen, not Pig Iron

So they are. So used to seeing Pig Iron Guard instead that I can't recognize the original, apparently.