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Being done with gamesworkshop for a while i have recently switched to warmachine with a couple of friends.

I play cryx and regularly play against Menoth, Cygnar and Khondor

Cygnar always beats me, it seems like nomatter what i do im always just charging a gunline.
All of their gunners ignore stealth one way or another (which is one of my big strengths)
So when (if) i get up there my army is already broken and i just crumble...

Another big problem is that Thunderhead model, his big 6 inch radius attack that just wipes my infantry off the field.

So as the title says, how do i deal with this army... cause i am out of ideas

Have you tried going jack heavy? I'm not experienced with Cygnar as my army or as an opponent's, so I can't give you any specific tips, but it sounds like you're relying on units with stealth. Bane Knights are great because when your opponent shoots them they get closer and possibly pull off free attacks during Maintenance Phase.

Are you playing scenarios or just doing caster-kill again and again?

How's he getting around stealth? I presume lots of ATGMs and the B13, yes? If so, consider long ranged units like the Revenant cannon, or even a Bloat Thrall. 'Jack heavy could work well too, either for channeling spells like Venom or Blood Rain to take out concentrated infantry, or with Helljacks like the Harrower and Leviathan for longer ranged sniping.

For getting around the thunderhead, high defense infantry are a great choice, as he still needs to roll to hit against everything caught in there. Satyxis Raiders are a good choice. You can also try to tie it up in melee: The electropurge is a ranged attack, and thus cannot be used if the Thunderhead is engaged. Finally, Blackbane's Raiders or any sort of Wraith can pin it down rather well: Electropurge isn't a magical attack, and can't harm them until after they've attacked it.

We also need to know which caster you are both using.

First off play some scenario's, caster kill is fine but it really plays into the cygnar players hands. HOw many points are you playing and which caster are you using?

Laughing Man wrote:For getting around the thunderhead, high defense infantry are a great choice, as he still needs to roll to hit against everything caught in there. Satyxis Raiders are a good choice. You can also try to tie it up in melee: The electropurge is a ranged attack, and thus cannot be used if the Thunderhead is engaged. Finally, Blackbane's Raiders or any sort of Wraith can pin it down rather well: Electropurge isn't a magical attack, and can't harm them until after they've attacked it.

You dont need to roll to hit with the energy pulse, its autohitting.

With cryx you can disable it by putting crippling grasp onto the thunder head, since the pulse is a special attack. Otherwise just kill it, its big and slow.

Really? Must have missed when they changed it from requiring an attack roll. *trundles off to grab a Cygnar deck*

Be careful... it doesn't say just enemy models...so it will hit EVERYTHING within 6" if not engaged in combat. This will include your units. So best to have something immune to lightning to back it up.

The easiest way to screw up a gunline is to RUN to engage it, since their statistics outside of shooting are PANTS.

The best units that Cyrx has for this purpose is:

Satyxis - SPD7+Reach
Soulhunters - SPD8+Reach+60mm base - Tall in the saddle will tie up a back rank too if they have a long gunner unit with UA.

Both units can engage gunmages from outside of their SNIPE range. Satyxis have high defense vs shooting (Gunmages need 8's on the move - standing still will get them engaged) and the Soulhunters have multiple damage boxes.

A good second line threat is a full mechanithrall squad +UA/Brutes, as they are dirt cheap and can easily soak casualties.

Bonejacks can also serve as tie-up units, though they are not as suited as Satyxis or Soulhunters. Shooty troops also have GAK for armor, so any AOEs will wreck their squads. Again, bonejacks are really good for this. Bloat Thrall might work in a pinch.

To add to Keezus's post:

Satyxis -Spd7, Reach, Desperate Pace from the Captain Solo.
Locked at 18" away.

Soulhunters: -Spd8, Reach, Base size, Light Cav Movement .
Locked at 23" away. +1" if you have Death Ride going.



All have decent DEF, but paper armor as most know.

Follow the Satyxis with some Banes + Tartarus, and you pretty much have a list I hate as a Cygnar player.

Wrong Eye and Snapjaw, they can make themselves untargetable to ranged and magical attacks.

As far as the thunder head goes you have to tie it up in melee, you must not let it pulse ever if possible.

whitekong wrote:As far as the thunder head goes you have to tie it up in melee, you must not let it pulse ever if possible.

Most definitely. I don't like that jack at all.

Sanctjud wrote:To add to Keezus's post:

Satyxis -Spd7, Reach, Desperate Pace from the Captain Solo.
Locked at 18" away.

Soulhunters: -Spd8, Reach, Base size, Light Cav Movement .
Locked at 23" away. +1" if you have Death Ride going.



All have decent DEF, but paper armor as most know.

Wow. I'm not too up to speed on the newest units. That's pretty obscene. I still think base satyxis is the way to go, it is cheap as chips and can act as a good throwaway unit... Watchout for Stormguard and the Stormclad warjack as countercharging units. The electroleaps from those guys can clear out even banes pretty fast.

Just keep one back, and pop Tartar Sauce's Thresher and make new banes .

Satyxis may not cut the mustard fully (unless they have stealth) as the ATGM unit has a 20" threat range.

Of course, if they are multi-box models then that point is mute as well.

The Satyxis get AD from the Sea Witch as well. so 24" lock?

And the word you were looking for was "moot" not mute.